Sooo... Veigar is now only going to be playable against non-mobilie AP mids?

Sooko·2/13/2015, 10:24:08 PM·44 votes·2,342 views

I don't mind the Q becoming a skill-shot and all (assuming its speed is big enough for it not to be easily dodgeable because it has no CC), plus I can poke down while I farm with it.

But everything else... I have won lane twice vs Zed as Veigar in my whole life, and a few times against Yasuo too. But they will now steamroll almost guaranteedly over any Veigar. W is still dodgeable as hell, his E now has a huge delay and lets plenty of our insane mobility new champions just escape it and even his Q can now be dodged, to some extent that is still unknown. Not to mention his ult is 1/6th less dependant on him to increase the damage it deals.

I am by no means defending his E was balanced before, but it is literally Veigar's only CC, only peel, and his only hope to make a Zed or a Kata or a Yasuo stand still so his slow W can finally land. And all the immobile mages still lack the means to get out of Event Horizon, but against them, Veigar can still try to land a lucky W and deal decent damage with his R.

I don't think the right way to buff a champion who struggles so much against all these mobile assassins was making him extra vulnerable to any sort of mobility.

I don't know how his E can gain counterplay without being the end of the master of evil, but my suggestion would be to, at least, slow enemies that somehow end up inside it or forbidding enemies from using blinks/non MS-related mobility spells inside the cage.

All I have to say is, Veigar's only hope to even be relevant in a Blind Pick game, is that the enemy brings an immobile mage that uses mana against him, or that he can farm enough for his ult to be enough to bring down a Yasuo or a Zed, since there won't be a single chance you are landing your stun against a competent one, and therefor, landing any other ability.

28 Comments

DrCyanide2/13/2015, 10:29:57 PM18 votes

Welcome to League of Mobility, where you must surrender to the one true meta sooner or later.

I honestly feel like these changes will change Veigar from a four ability champion to a two ability champion. He will farm with Q, and he will attack with Q+R, and everything else will be a desperate move at best in hopes that his enemy messes up.

You can't land a W on a champion that isn't stunned. You can't stun a champion with the new E, they must choose to stun themselves. Veigar is going to have to hope the Q buffs are enough to pull him through.

Sooko2/13/2015, 11:29:25 PM6 votes

I guess its going to be Viktor for me then... item 3070

Retillin2/13/2015, 10:57:16 PM6 votes

I really like that idea that they nerfed him hard with this new E, and then nerfed his ult ratio.....

Nucleophilic atk2/14/2015, 6:53:27 PM4 votes

His E was balanced because he needed it. If it was that OP, people would have actually played Veigar.

chumbler2/14/2015, 8:23:43 AM3 votes

No, he won't be played against them either. Most of them are better laners than he is.

Kaipop2/14/2015, 12:24:55 AM3 votes

I think the problem is Yasuo and Zed, not Veigar... They have way too much mobility

Hard Penetrator2/14/2015, 12:45:32 AM3 votes

Veigar will be picked to represent Riots new idea "LCS big fails".

It won't be a porn but it will contain major butt****.

Meep Man2/14/2015, 12:49:22 AM2 votes

Riot needs to give Veigar a new W. A skill that entirely relies on a a super long stun is terrible.

5G8Nri0B542/13/2015, 10:50:51 PM2 votes

Already the case.

windwolf7772/14/2015, 7:16:54 AM2 votes

I know this is possibly going to be downvoted because of it being a dota reference, but I say make his event horizon like disruptor kinetic field. Can't escape using a dash, but can still flash, over it.

The Ellimiist2/15/2015, 12:58:07 AM1 votes

Lets not lie here. I barely ever picked vegar as is. I will never pick vieg after these changes. Going from "bad situational pick" to "really bad, skillshot reliant, super situational pick" isnt going to convince me.

Sooko2/15/2015, 1:11:28 AM1 votes

Well... At least Veigar's attack speed remains untouched.

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