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Ranked: Why am I always on the losing team 4 of 5 times?

Kraythax··3 votes·7,369 views

Its a bit of a loaded question, one natural repose could be "you suck Kraythax and every team loses because of you" but I don't think that is the case. Sure there ARE games which I suck and I'm willing to say that with no reservations, I also eval what I could have done better and try to improve. However there are also games where I do great, I play Soraka and hold the lane, protect my ADC and they are far ahead in CS or I support them getting kills even when they are being bonkers crazy tower diving and taking risks. But in these games we can hold the tower, hold the lane, come out ahead and mid will collapse or top will collapse, the enemy will feed, snowball and it will be all she wrote.

Same for the jungle, I can have excellent clear, good counter jungle and be perfect with my CS and I roam into mid lane in my clear route, the mid lane is not pressed enough but I can toss in a backstab or attack to push the opponent out of lane then go on doing my clear because I am not tower diving at level 3. Problem is my mid laner goes all in, tower dives, dies then goes on tilt berating me for "WTF JG?????" Indeed if I were to believe the chat, every loss is always my fault in jungle. Top lane feeds urgot 5/0? Only because "jungler didt gank nub!" Mid lane dives and dies, "Nub jungler didn't help." ADC tower dives tanking tower and 2 champs and its "WTF raka no heal???"

So I would grant this will happen regularly and I'm ok with that. Learning is a process. The question is why 4 of 5 games am I on the losing team. Is something to do with matchmaking? Is there some magic mechanic that says put this guy with the worst possible players? You would think in a truly random system I would be relatively evenly balanced teaming with feeders and killers but it seems to me that isn't the case. Do I have to start a new account? Id rather not, I have bought a lot of champs with $ and don't want to start over.

So, I know asking this on the internet is roughly like wearing a target on your back and taking a stroll in a war zone but still, any constructive comments or ideas?

24 Comments

Beas7ie2 votes

(Your deity of choice from religion of choice) hates you. They have used their deity powers to condemn you to RANKED HELL! DUNDUNDUN! In ranked hell, regardless of your skill, you will always be matched with crap teams that will drag you down. Many times, even if you have the skills of uber pro LC$ you will still not be able to carry these games. You will be forever damned to crappy teammates that feed and rage and are horribly toxic. Some of these teammates may be people like Hitler, Genghis Khan, Pol Pott, Kim Jong Il, and other horrible people who have committed horrible crimes. For normal hell with the demons and the flames wasn't enough. They must spend eternity playing LoL stuck in the depths of Bronze. Using conventional methods you can NEVER ESCAPE and furoms will always say "git gud and carry harder noob"

To escape you must do cleansing and meditation rituals to help remove the negative energy and karma to one day please the deity that has condemned you and/or get the attention of mercy of another deity that will help you.

This is perhaps the only way to escape RANKED HELL! DUN DUN DUN!

UnfairBear1 votes

{quoted}

(Your deity of choice from religion of choice) hates you. They have used their deity powers to condemn you to RANKED HELL! DUNDUNDUN! In ranked hell, regardless of your skill, you will always be matched with crap teams that will drag you down. Many times, even if you have the skills of uber pro LC$ you will still not be able to carry these games. You will be forever damned to crappy teammates that feed and rage and are horribly toxic. Some of these teammates may be people like Hitler, Genghis Khan, Pol Pott, Kim Jong Il, and other horrible people who have committed horrible crimes. For normal hell with the demons and the flames wasn't enough. They must spend eternity playing LoL stuck in the depths of Bronze. Using conventional methods you can NEVER ESCAPE and furoms will always say "git gud and carry harder noob"

To escape you must do cleansing and meditation rituals to help remove the negative energy and karma to one day please the deity that has condemned you and/or get the attention of mercy of another deity that will help you.

This is perhaps the only way to escape RANKED HELL! DUN DUN DUN!

#facts

Randomonium2 votes

First off, you haven't played enough games. It could be you or it could just be bad luck. Less than 50 games is too small of a sample size.

Second, you need to be honest with yourself. Your jungle clears are far from perfect. I can easily double your cs per min in the jungle and I'm pretty horrible at this game. You can't improve if you don't have a realistic assessment of what you are doing wrong.

Third, your builds, summoner spells, and masteries are God awful. You go thunderlords on Soraka instead of windspeakers for example. You rush Mikaels instead of Ardent on Soraka and you never buy a sightstone or a vision ward. And you go teleport over flash. This is super basic stuff that is shooting you in the foot.

If you watch some high elo junglers and supports and literally copy everything that they do you'd probably double or triple your win rate. I recommend checking out the subreddits for the champions you play (sorakamains or shacomains for example.) They can point you in the direction of people you should copy.

Kraythax1 votes

You are missing the point. I can easily get S and LOSE the game. There was a time I swapped out wrong masteries but that is not typical. But even lets say I do some things wrong. Then you are saying every game it is me, and only me, losing. That if I didn't play they would win. I play draft and get S on Soraka all the time. That it doesn't matter if the bot lane ADC gets too aggressive and feeds or that the top lane is tower diving and feeding. That all of that is my fault?

I try tho play the best game I can and learn from my mistakes. Sure people will look at my game and say you did this that and the other wrong .. that's fine, I'm not gold, I'm not even young. But I refuse to accept that it is my fault EVERY GAME.

LostFr0st1 votes

The mastery grade compares you to others playing the same champ in the same position at the same mmr.

Just because they suck at playing the champ more, it doesn't mean S is perfect play.

They do this so that when we play Soraka our score isn't compared to Wolf or Aphromoo; making an S impossible.

Kraythax1 votes

Fine no problem. Never claimed I was silver or gold.

But I can have a great game where I am doing well,saving my ADC, we win the lane, have superior CS, push them off creeps, avoid ganks, get a kill or two. Oh wait top collapsed and fed Teemo 10-0 or mid lane died and lost two towers. And it seems to always be my team. What I am saying is I can play the best game of my life and if the other lanes collapse I get the L. But obviously people are winning so why always the team I am on isn't? That is the point of this post.

LostFr0st1 votes

Just looked at your match history; I think I see the problem ^^" 100% sure actually.

After losing a couple games in a row (especially if you thin you did well) your body starts to physically make it hard to win.

This vid is older, but very good if you can incorporate some of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rJJL-5Qs4g

These ones are longer but more recent and have more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBj8YyfNmWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c0f2_UJALQ

Randomonium1 votes

No, you are missing the point. The point is that you should never focus on what mistakes your allies are making EVER. You should only focus on your mistakes. You are the only person you can control in these games. Its only by improving YOURSELF that you will climb. Champion grades don't mean anything so please don't read too much into them.

I am not saying that your team would have won EVERY time if they had a different support but its possible that a different support could have had a larger impact on those games. Its impossible to know for sure since you have such a small sample size of games.

You have to stop thinking of this game as "who's fault is it" and instead look at this game as one of percentages. Think of it like gambling. You want to stack the deck as much in your favor as you can. Choosing the right runes, masteries, builds, etc is like folding the bad hands and only playing the good hands. By having the wrong runes, masteries, builds, etc you are effectively folding pocket aces and trying to all-in with 2 7 offsuit. We need to correct YOUR obvious mistakes before we start accusing the dealer of cheating.

Also, please don't lie about stuff like "choosing the wrong mastery." You literally play thunderlords on Soraka EVERY FREAKING GAME. Hell, your mastery page titled "Soraka" has thunderlords on it. Do you think we are idiots who can't look up you profile? I can't help you if you won't be honest with me or even yourself.

If you are truly interested in improving then you need to find high elo players and start copying what they do. That's the fastest way to maximize your chances of winning. Once you fix those issues then you can start getting into the nitty gritty of why you're losing games.

Emerald Fang1 votes

You probably got placed too high.

Rainfall1 votes

he got placed bronze 5

Kraythax1 votes

Yeah and I cant climb up despite working heavily on my mechanics and skill. I just seem to be always playing with the losing team.

Kynin1 votes

There are three lanes. Lets say you are mid. You win your lane. Your bot lane has a 50% chance to win and your top lane has a 50% chance to win. That means in 75% of games you will have a losing lane. In 25% of games both other lanes lost. So lets say 75% of games are winnable. Professional players tend to have around a 60-70% winrate which will go well with the odds listed above.

But you also have to take into account that there are 5 players on each team, each with a 50% chance to win. That means the likelihood of your team losing is 1/24. It is just like how when you buy a lottery ticket. There are only two options to win or to lose. 2 options means 50%. So if you buy 2 lottery tickets you have a 75% chance to win. If you buy 5 lottery tickets you have a 0.4% chance of losing.

TLDR: The odds are in your favor. I would advise playing champs with more impact.

Mysticman891 votes

Lets not go off assuming all outcomes are equally probable without due reason. You certainly do not have a 75% chance of winning the lottery with 2 tickets, since the lose outcome is significantly more probable than the win outcome, despite those being the only two outcomes.

Assuming other lanes(+jg) are 50% win chance is reasonable though, and if you're winning your own lane >50% of the time, your overall winrate will thus be biased to be slightly greater than 50%, if lane outcomes are indicative of overall player skill (which isn't always true).

Plenty of players out there that are great laners but go full bonobo post laning phase though, so consistently winning your own lane doesn't necessarily mean you're better than your mmr would indicate. If you are better than your mmr though, you will win slightly more than 50% of the time, it's just a matter of playing enough games for statistics to rule over the variance in relatively small sample sizes.

Kynin1 votes

{quoted}

Lets not go off assuming all outcomes are equally probable without due reason. You certainly do not have a 75% chance of winning the lottery with 2 tickets, since the lose outcome is significantly more probable than the win outcome, despite those being the only two outcomes.

Assuming other lanes(+jg) are 50% win chance is reasonable though, and if you're winning your own lane >50% of the time, your overall winrate will thus be biased to be slightly greater than 50%, if lane outcomes are indicative of overall player skill (which isn't always true).

Plenty of players out there that are great laners but go full bonobo post laning phase though, so consistently winning your own lane doesn't necessarily mean you're better than your mmr would indicate. If you are better than your mmr though, you will win slightly more than 50% of the time, it's just a matter of playing enough games for statistics to rule over the variance in relatively small sample sizes.

You seem to misunderstand the intent of my comment.

Kraythax1 votes

Well here is the thing, I am having a great impact on the game when I am soraka and a pretty good impact with shaco. Soraka I can silence the whole team in a team fight with a wide pool and that turns fights. Its also useless if my team mates are roaming around solo getting picked off and wont group up.

As Shaco, I can have imapact in late game taking out their carrys on the back line before they can react and also split pushing which means one or more enemies has to answer and as shaco I can get away easily. If they are chasing me my team should be able to get the kills from a reduced team. So I feel i have good impact, but even when I have a great game, if I am on a losing team its done.

Kynin1 votes

{quoted}

Well here is the thing, I am having a great impact on the game when I am soraka and a pretty good impact with shaco. Soraka I can silence the whole team in a team fight with a wide pool and that turns fights. Its also useless if my team mates are roaming around solo getting picked off and wont group up.

As Shaco, I can have imapact in late game taking out their carrys on the back line before they can react and also split pushing which means one or more enemies has to answer and as shaco I can get away easily. If they are chasing me my team should be able to get the kills from a reduced team. So I feel i have good impact, but even when I have a great game, if I am on a losing team its done.

Dont play soraka low elo. You need someone with more presence. Dont take heal as soraka, it is redundant. Dont take teleport as soraka, you arent the top laner and are not going to be useful teleporting anywhere. If you are going to play support ward. You can get by without flash on shaco but you need flash on almost everyone else (Excet Hecarim and Olaf?). Work on your item builds, just google search "soraka build s7" and copy what they do. With these changes and a change in mindset I am sure you can escape bronze.

I would also suggest practicing in normals.

Kraythax1 votes

I play "normals" draft mode and do fine. Win Some, lose some, have some bad games, have some good games. On shaco I can get S in draft mode, on Soraka I am usually A- or above with S in there ar times.

But then I queue for ranked and the laners are feeding, by 5 min in the game its 12-2 and none of those deaths are mine. So its still my fault? I should have been able to take them all out? I should be able to destroy them all? Solo carry from jungle or support?

Its like the matchmaking says get the LOWEST bronze players and match them against some silver players. ... and I am always on the non-silver team. Its really like the game is TRYING to destroy my will to play.

I think its a given that player ratings on chars are not taken into account when climbing ranks which is ... stupid in my opinion. But the reality is how do I always get the worst people?

Rainfall1 votes

start playing with flash.....

Kraythax1 votes

Flash has virtually never saved me and with jungle I have been using ignite/smite and with soraka I have been using teleport / heal and to great success. I HAVE gotten way better with my skills through working on them. I just cant seem to get past being always on the losing team. I win my share of draft games but when it comes to even Bronze 5 my team always gets wrecked. Most of my deaths are late game because my team mates have fed so much that I literally cant kill anything anymore. As Shaco I can split push and work on gold but if my team keeps losing team fights, I might as well surrender.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

do you play with friends?

Some Noob Dude1 votes

It happened to me recently, it sucks. But just keep playing more games, it will balance itself out.

Nik Nikerson1 votes

Here's three possible reasons why:

  1. Variance and small sample size have made the issue seem bigger than it is.
  2. You are actually to blame.
  3. You aren't good enough to carry teams when the rest of your teammates aren't playing well.
µªµ1 votes

Nope. Totally agree with this guy. I spent many years studying this game, and it's completely demoralizing that no matter how much you learn and try in this game, 4 out of 5 games, you will have that one guy that will completely destroy your chances of victory. You will have the disconnect, the 0/10, or the players that won't listen to their team trying to help them not repeat mistakes. You queue up, and blindly put your preciously earned LP in the hands of potentially unreliable people. It's a gamble, people don't care, people don't want to care, not everyone has the same mindset, and there is nothing you can do about it. You can talk about it, but because there are the few rare unique players that manage to win 100% of their games to challenger, all you can be told it. "Get better, you suck."

KlydeFrog1 votes

Its called your team chasing for kills ie team death match and ignoring object

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