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Master Yi and Yasuo are REDICULOUSLY overpowered.

Kraythax··6 votes·2,660 views

I have been in 15 games or so in past 24 hours and every single game is featuring both of these chars and often both on the same team. The only defense to either is to play them. If master Yi or Yasuo get a couple of kills they snowball immediately and become un-killable. There are detailed reasons for this.

Master Yi: His Alphastrike makes him un-targetable and does outrageous damage. If you manage to tank that and get a couple of hits on him he goes into his Meditate which means if you 1v1 him you cant kill him. In meditate he is theoretically hittable but the damage reduction is stupid high. I have seen a master yi meditate inside of Veigar's prison in a hairball of damage and then come out with ... yes, Alphastrike. He is un-hittable and unstoppable. Parry abilities like Jax counterstrike don't block alpha strike and thus he snowballs. One or two kills, he gets attack speed items, speeds up Alphastrike and literally cant be targeted. Even if you can predict his destination in Alphastrike you cant block it or stop it.

Yasuo: Again ridiculously OP to the point that if he scores one or two kills and gets an item or two he snowballs to 25/1/8. Yasuo on JUST HIS Q, has high damage, knock up, and AOE. Thats just his Q. His sweeping blade has a near instant cooldown AND a stacking effect so if he does it several times he does bonus damage. His sweeping blade reset is faster than autoattack! And since he dashes, again he becomes un-targetable by anyone not diamond ELO.

There is a reason every game with those two in it sees them with 5 or 6 to 1 KD ratios. One on one neither one is killable. If Riot examines the stats they will see that these two are ridiculously OP. I am sure the Yasuo and Master Yi players will come in and object but the stats don't lie.

What really confuses me is why Ivern is nerfed to near un-usability with his only AOE weak damage shield reduced and these two are left practically un-killable.

Finally, don't bother banning them in draft either. People just dodge the game.

51 Comments

Qzply768 votes

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I have been in 15 games or so in past 24 hours and every single game is featuring both of these chars

I can smell your bullshit through the screen.

Kraythax2 votes

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I can smell your bullshit through the screen.

Didnt address any of the points I made so I will assume you are only flaming and trolling and ignore you.

Qzply763 votes

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Didnt address any of the points I made so I will assume you are only flaming and trolling and ignore you.

Guess 2 other people disagree with you. And who is actually going to take the time to read that HUGE block of text with a title like that?

Kraythax2 votes

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Guess 2 other people disagree with you. And who is actually going to take the time to read that HUGE block of text with a title like that?

375 words is a huge block of text? Not much on reading are you?

Qzply762 votes

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375 words is a huge block of text? Not much on reading are you?

Not when it's just bitching

Kraythax3 votes

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Not when it's just bitching

Uhh ... whatever ... lol ... have a good day.

Qzply761 votes

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Uhh ... whatever ... lol ... have a good day.

Nice downvoted post. Real glad I didn't read it.

Kraythax2 votes

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Nice downvoted post. Real glad I didn't read it.

Me too. Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself. Stay safe.

Qzply761 votes

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Me too. Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself. Stay safe.

Right?? I'm sure your post is straight brain cancer.

Packun Flower2 votes

Gentleman please.

Both of your E-Peens are very big I am sure.

woodvsmurph2 votes

If you are too lazy to read a post - don't comment on it as though you know it is trash or downvote. You have to be a master yi or yasuo main or someone who just likes to downvote to do so - and then you are showing favoritism while also ignoring the facts.

Spicy Rice3 votes

Or, you know, they are an experiencenced Boards user and can smell shitposts from a mile away

Ben SwoIo4 votes

I think Draven with Death's Dance is more of a problem. Pretty cheesy.

Kraythax1 votes

I don't know about that one. I will defer to your experiences. I just know about the two I mentioned. I have gotten flamed in the thread already, probably by someone that mains those two, but the points I made haven't been argued against so they stand.

Ben SwoIo1 votes

Yi CAN be strong, but sucks balls early. I use Yi and there's times I get absolutely slaughtered. Easy to counter jungle and gets extremely behind. Maybe you just don't know how to handle him. It's not like I just walk around Alpha Striking everyone racking up kills. I need to know what kind of comp we have, does the enemy team have lock down / cc, are sums or skills on cd, ect. Most of my kills come from someone pretty much being negligent to their positioning, vision and cooldowns. I won't say anything about Yasuo, because I just perma ban him so it's whatever. Death Dance Draven is definitely more of an issue.

chipndip14 votes

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Yaśuo Main3 votes
  • Yasuo

His Q does less damage than his auto attack late game, he needs to Q twice for a knockup which is also the only way he can use his ult other than his teammates displacing an enemy. His sweeping blade needs a target to dash to which means he's situationally mobile WHICH MEANS Riven is more mobile than him. Not to mention his E got nerfed to the point where he has to decide whether to max Q or E, and since when did any champion that can dash become untargettable by anyone not diamond elo. That logic is so bad, it means that if ur not diamond you can't hit him. This means anyone Gold, Plat, Silver, Bronze, Master or Challenger can not hit him. Yasuo also has 49% winrate mid nice "OP" champion. Remove his Ult bonus armor pen and the dude is fucking trash tier.

  • Master Yi

In meditate he is** theoretically hittable **

What the fuck? "theoretically hittable". Are you one of those people who use big words to sound legitimate? Yi can always be hit when not in Q animation. You make it look like his Q doesn't make him stay near the spot he Q'd and make him do nothing while using Q. You also make it look like he can cast Q to be untargettable?

Jax literally nullifies Yi's auto attacks which means he has nothing to use on Jax other than Q, damage reduction isn't even that high until max rank, he is squishy AF + highly vulnerable to CC due to playstyle. Far from OP.

Maybe if you weren't so ignorant of ur dumb post being downvoted maybe you'd not reply? I don't wanna be mean but this is surely pissing me off. You said you were going to uninstall LoL before, so why are you still here?

Kraythax2 votes

I find it amusing that you accuse me of using :"big words" (I'm still trying to figure out which word was big) and then ignorant at the same time. How does that work? As I stated in my post he can be hit with Q but his mitigation is massive so you are reduced by his AP plus up to 70% mitigation so effectively he is invulnerable and then he comes out having healed a massive amount of HP. Its essentially a built in Guardian angel.

Maybe you should debate the points without the nastiness? Just an idea.

Yaśuo Main3 votes

His "mitigation" is strong when not considering the fact that his W is an AA reset so it has an offense use and a defense use, it also is only that strong LATE game, where he gets blown up by CC the most. So it's justified. You also think healing a lot of HP = Guardian Angel mimick? What's next, Soraka Ult = Zilean Ult?

"theoretically" That is a "big word" that you use to sound "logical" which in this case you aren't. And you refuse to listen to any facts someone like ME, gives you. Therefore ignorant you are.

Maybe you should stop posting in gameplay due to your faulty logic? Just a suggestion, you aren't exactly bringing the macho of logic right now.

Kraythax1 votes

Replying only to your comments relevant to thread, not your attacks on me personally.

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His "mitigation" is strong when not considering the fact that his W is an AA reset so it has an offense use and a defense use, it also is only that strong LATE game, where he gets blown up by CC the most. So it's justified. You also think healing a lot of HP = Guardian Angel mimick? What's next, Soraka Ult = Zilean Ult?

Zilean and Soraka ULTs are straight heals but with two huge differences. First of all they dont come with a built in 3 second 70% damage mitigation and second those chars are designed as support and have limited damage potential. So if you are giving a high damage output char a support style heal, that is seriously unbalanced.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

A heal with damage reduction isn't support style at all, and it is not unbalanced because Yi has a fair winrate. And first off no skill in the game other than Yi's W takes 5 ranks to get 70% damage reduction and a small heal and in trade, make you unable to attack or move.

And as I said...

he is squishy AF + highly vulnerable to CC due to playstyle. Far from OP.

This is why he has that W. Because he would literally be a glass cannon champion in which NO OTHER CHAMPION IS COMPLETELY GLASS CANNON. Bad design without W. Far from OP, balanced, and non-toxic with clear weaknesses. You're wrong.

woodvsmurph3 votes

I don't mind laning vs yasuo. He's not bad unless you feed him. Yi on the other hand is a ticking timebomb who gets too strong too damn early. Yeah his spammable q with it's auto reset on both sides of it (auto, q to reset, free auto after q ends) is bologna. His meditate needs to either be purely for healing or purely for resistances - it shouldn't give both. Either make it an in-combat zhonya-esq spell to buy him time for his other spells but it doesn't heal him or make it an out of combat sustain tool so that if he pops it in combat, he can be killed through the healing because he gets no resistances from it. Also, his e should not be true damage - it should scale up his bonus ad and do physical damage. Being able to completely shred tanks and bruisers via %hp damage of bork and bloodrazor plus true damage on every auto without building any armor pen is just stupidity. And any time he is losing to some bruiser, he just presses meditate, buys time, and runs away or wins via healing up all the damage while being unkillable during meditate. It is utter stupidity.

PimpStickNasus2 votes

Ayyyyyy lmao

sunden121 votes

Nah your just a bad ivern.

Kraythax1 votes

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Nah your just a bad ivern.

Oh Im not high ELO for sure. But really the nerf to Ivern is uncalled for when there are more stupid unbalances in the game. But I notice you didn't respond to any of my points with debate so they stand. :)

sunden121 votes

Alrgiht to responded then this game is based around snowballing, may other champs can do what they do but easier. These champs also have a large weakness. Zac, Sej, pretty much any tank with cc. Have two of them on your team and you can chain lock one of them down. They also both have less then subpar early games to that is another thing to abuse. They are far from op, its why they are not meta.

Kraythax1 votes

Well Im not diamond ELO and I dont claim to be but I have NEVER seen anyone control these two if they are competently played. You have to be able to target them to CC them and in high ELO they might have the reflexes to do that I guess. Like I said stats dont lie. Ive been in several games and they snowball out of control. Master Yi having a bad early game? Don't see how. Even if he is against ranged like Veigar he can gap close with massive damage in an instant. If your assertion is the only way to control them is needing TWO champs devoted to just controlling them then that sort of makes my point doesn't it ? Furthermore CC abiliteis generally have long cooldowns, Yasuo's cooldowns are faster than autoattack and do quite good damage.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

This is my opinion here, but Yas and Yi are ez. Just build a little bit of armor and attack speed, and be sure ty o have some sustain.

Xin is much more Op.

Try running exaust against Yi and yas. It slows thier Attack Speed, since they WILL build it, being effective damage reduction, as well as effective cc to slow them down.

As Morde, I'll get Gunblade, Zhonyas, the new Guardian Angel, and Guinsoos for extended fights. Yi and Yasuo ez, they even come to you.

You need high sustain tho, and lots of damage, so of course it's easy for me as Mordekiaser

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Morde Unlimited,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8uxkLQoA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-06-18T17:38:43.031+0000)

This is my opinion here, but Yas and Yi are ez. Just build a little bit of armor and attack speed, and be sure ty o have some sustain.

Xin is much more Op.

Try running exaust against Yi and yas. It slows thier Attack Speed, since they WILL build it, being effective damage reduction, as well as effective cc to slow them down.

As Morde, I'll get Gunblade, Zhonyas, the new Guardian Angel, and Guinsoos for extended fights. Yi and Yasuo ez, they even come to you.

You need high sustain tho, and lots of damage, so of course it's easy for me as Mordekiaser

Seriously tho, if you play Morde you can beat them ez. They seem Op because they get fed, and are melee carries, JUST LIKE MORDE, but with mobility. Morde may not have mobility, BUT he has better sustain. Practice Morde some. His Dot w and ult with ignite help, Exaust for damage reduction and cc, and passive sheild is no match for them.

Yas and Yi are scary when fed, yes, but they build AS, so ya gotta try to slow that down. And when you build Guinsoos Gunblade core on Morde with exaust and Ignite, you still win even if they are even a little ahead of you. Also, if they ARE fed, and you kill them, you GET THIER FED GHOST AND STATS. IT'S FUCKING BEAUTIFUL

FRIEND ME AND I WILL SHOW YOU THE ART OF THE HUE

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sit kid2 votes

Try running exaust against Yi and yas. It slows thier Attack Speed

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It slows thier Attack Speed

NiBBa wut

PimpStickNasus1 votes

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NiBBa wut

It used to probably just forgot

KnightOfEloHell2 votes

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NiBBa wut

Exaust slows thier Attack Speed and movement speed for a short period of time.

sit kid1 votes

Excpept that it doesn't reduce attack speed

Birbonius1 votes

It doesn't anymore, they removed the attack speed and resistances debuff on it. Now it slows and let the exhausted deal less damage. They did this because "it was becoming too much of an offensive spell and was crippling adcs",at least that's what i recall

sit kid1 votes

Well, that's because you're bronze.

Srs get high silver and yi is basically almost gone from the game

Yasuo is still permaban until like high diamond (I'm not wasting a ban on him though)

Kraythax1 votes

I have never been in a game where anyone can control either of those two. And I have no illusions of being diamond ... ever.

JuhnChan1 votes

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Master Yi: His Alphastrike makes him un-targetable and does outrageous damage. If you manage to tank that and get a couple of hits on him he goes into his Meditate which means if you 1v1 him you cant kill him.

{quoted} Master Yi: if you 1v1 him you cant kill him

lol

xkillertenzo1 votes

They seem very balanced to me. Its how you use a champion which makes them OP.

Commando Yi1 votes

you built a zz rot portal on jungle jax and are complaining you lost to a yi/yasuo ?

Kraythax1 votes

Portal has high magic resist and Armor and for a sub 3k cost and a build path that has armor and magic resist that are useful in early game anyway. I also got the idea off a Diamond ELO player I talked to. It is possible you have knowledge superior to a diamond ELO player I suppose. However, I dont feel inferior having done so.

Commando Yi1 votes

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Portal has high magic resist and Armor and for a sub 3k cost and a build path that has armor and magic resist that are useful in early game anyway. I also got the idea off a Diamond ELO player I talked to. It is possible you have knowledge superior to a diamond ELO player I suppose. However, I dont feel inferior having done so.

-build zz rot -complain that you couldn't 1v1 a yi as jax

pick one

Commando Yi1 votes

food for thought op

https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohzdGrJgvSCC0hyWQ

Kraythax1 votes

Of course there is no context whatsoever here. You don't know item builds, the video is blurry so there could be a 2 level difference, the Master Yi was caught out while soloing dragon which means he has probably blown smite and perhaps has other abilities on cool down. Furthermore this could be a gold player smurfing vs a bronze for all we know. So the video is less than even moderately useful. I am sure Riot can look up the stats and see that I am right. Single encounters is not an effective demonstration. The statistics don't lie.

Commando Yi1 votes

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Of course there is no context whatsoever here. You don't know item builds, the video is blurry so there could be a 2 level difference, the Master Yi was caught out while soloing dragon which means he has probably blown smite and perhaps has other abilities on cool down. Furthermore this could be a gold player smurfing vs a bronze for all we know. So the video is less than even moderately useful. I am sure Riot can look up the stats and see that I am right. Single encounters is not an effective demonstration. The statistics don't lie.

that's a diamond xin zhao against a diamond yi in a diamond ranked game - and that's xin doing dragon while yi gets the jump on him with exhaust

oh yes and ivern was nerfed for being broken and the best jungler in the game with a win rate above 56% for several patches in a row he's still broken but nowhere near as strong as he was before

Lyndris1 votes

Would you mind replying with 2-3 of your fav/pref champs? I may be able to point something out for you to use/outplay with.

Kraythax1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mystic Lyn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8uxkLQoA,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2017-06-19T15:24:36.085+0000)

Would you mind replying with 2-3 of your fav/pref champs? I may be able to point something out for you to use/outplay with.

Sure, all constructive feedback is appreciated, If I could honor you in boards I would.

Lately I have been maining Jax in the jungle or top lane. I have also played Nocturne in Jungle and Ivern in jungle (pre nerf). I don't expect Ivern to be able to handle Yi, at least not with me playing him. I have also tried fizz and like him but he gets banned nearly every game in ranked so no point learning him really. He can jump on pole to avoid alpha but Jax doesn't parry alpha.

However when I am laning the only way I can handle Yi is with zigs to long toss bomb and harass but he can close fast and you are diced sushi.

Lyndris1 votes

For nocturne vs Yi, i would try to dave his fear (1.5 channel?) for his meditate, this will cause him to lose out on half the healing and he should not have his passive ready coming out of fear. For Jax vs Yi you should try to time your (stun) for when he has activated his e, while true damage cannot be reduced in a few instances (fiora vitals, yi wuju E) it can be negated via negating the auto that would apply it.

For yasuo, unless you are laning against him try to take him in superior numbers. Little known/utilized fact: Yasuo Q procs thornmail (i know most people dislike, but it has its uses mostly as a 3-4 item slot, especially against these two), which works well against both of these swordmasters (less so with an on-hit yi, but since he is usually abusing bork/bloodrazor, less overall health more resistances helps)

For ivern, counter the absolute shit outta him early. Save ults for him and try not to fight him 1v1 you are a support jungle, not a skirmisher as these two are, focus on giving your team the chance to take them out in team fights. If you can control daisy, just have her focus him (or the more fed if they are both on the enemy team)

I do not know enough about ziggs, but tend to rip him apart with both of these, so yea.

Ra1uga1 votes

"Master Yi And Yasuo Are OP"

I have someone who would like to have a word with you.

Rammus Ok.

Meilouse1 votes

Another staple case of someone who got shit on and came to complain about it. I'm not even going to bother go over each weakness of each champ cause they got plenty.

Rívèñ 1 votes

Yi is designed for late game, if you feed a late game champ early, that's ENTIRELY YOUR PROBLEM, well your team's problem at the end.

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