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We should reset the Bronze-Diamond elo or whole elo system once every 2 season.

LegendmakerGX·Jul 5, 2017·2 votes·763 views

I feel like there is a problem when a person who has diamond last season gets plat usually plat 3-1 instantly and just get carried most of the time and camp it out in D5 for reward. Worst part I hate is when D5 players make fun of people with over 200 games when they are just camping it at D5 0 point waiting for season to be over and only playing 1 game a month so they don't get demoted from their reward. Some of these player are lucky to get to flow with pros to make it to diamond 5 real fast because of the start off point they get in placement.

Diamond is place where you strive to grow and reach higher not a place where people who got diamond last season gets lucky to get diamond again and camp D5 until the end of the season for season reward repeating the cycle over and over again. Most of the time when you see a diamond player now a days they are practically all D5 with 0 doing nothing because of them fearing they will get demoted from their season reward.

If any diamond disagree then all I can say is if you are skilled enough to get to diamond then it won't take you long to climb back again.

13 Comments

DehitayJul 5, 20172 votes

You're right, diamond players wouldn't care about this. However, apparently, enough people complained about being matched up against high skill players back when hard resets were a thing that Riot started soft resets when they installed the league system. The soft reset does make sense. If you can make it from plat to diamond, you can probly make it from a fresh start to plat.

LegendmakerGXJul 5, 20171 votes

Most it takes me is 40 games no duo to make it from a fresh start to plat problem is when you reach plat 2-1 where you are in promo you have chances of getting for reason i don't know why but diamond players who are getting demoted because of losing non stop, heck i saw a person who had 4/12 in diamond 4. I always feel like platinum has a problem with all the crap cramped up in there and it should have a fresh reset like sure you were Platinum/diamond season 5 but are you really skilled enough in a new season/ new meta to be the same tier again this year?

Sir YamazukiJul 5, 20171 votes

If you're D5 0 LP and not playing well, then you won't be placed in high plat. Where you start the next season is based on MMR, not your rank. The rank is overall actually pretty meaningless to the whole system other than for distributing rewards. It also takes a while to drop out of the 5th tier of any division.

Also, even if you made them placed lower, you realize they would gain high LP, skip tiers and still be "lucky" anyways?

LegendmakerGXJul 5, 20171 votes

No people get to D5 and just camp there they don't really need to have 0 point and I'm 100% sure diamond can't be place in Gold even if they do bad and for platinum they can never be placed in silver on placement lowest they can go in gold.

Zone of EndlessJul 5, 20171 votes

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No people get to D5 and just camp there they don't really need to have 0 point and I'm 100% sure diamond can't be place in Gold even if they do bad since I have seen a diamond with a 4/12 some how got D4 and this dude was a support.....

they can be placed gold. It happens to some people.

4/12/?. Include assists. They count too.

The Leo CatJul 5, 20171 votes

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they can be placed gold. It happens to some people.

4/12/?. Include assists. They count too.

I think BrickyOrchid, who normally ends up in Diamond 5 got placed in Silver 3 and had to climb his way back up the ladder again. He made some interesting notes about the types of players there are in the ELOs. Silver having a poisoned air, and Plat where everyone is on full tilt and that league is just a complete toxic cesspool of sh*t.

LegendmakerGXJul 5, 20171 votes

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they can be placed gold. It happens to some people.

4/12/?. Include assists. They count too.

No i meant he literally had 4 wins and 12 lost in D4 which shocked me when he was D4 if i recall last season.

EedatJul 5, 20171 votes

That literally can't be possible. The absolute highest you can be placed even if you were rank 1 challenger last season is Plat 1. Absolutely nobody is placed into Diamond after their placements. Nobody. Zip zero nada. It is literally impossible to climb from Plat 1 to Diamond 4 with only 4 wins

LegendmakerGXJul 5, 20171 votes

You act like you know when you never reached diamond or challenger before .

EedatJul 5, 20171 votes

Doesn't matter. This isn't a matter of opinion. What I said is a fact. I actually watched qtpie get placed into plat 1 this season on his steam. Go ahead and check yourself. These popular streamers have YouTube channels

The scenario you described is a straight up lie. It's 100% completely impossible. It's not a debate

Sir YamazukiJul 5, 20171 votes

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No people get to D5 and just camp there they don't really need to have 0 point and I'm 100% sure diamond can't be place in Gold even if they do bad and for platinum they can never be placed in silver on placement lowest they can go in gold.

I'm talking about MMR, not their win rate. As I said, rank=meaningless in this system. Due to this you can place higher than you finished when you're not Diamond/High Plat too.

This is why when this system came out you had people complain after the next season they dropped 2 tiers or so, with some saying they went up instead. This is also why LP gains/losses vary so much too. Everything is determined by the hidden MMR. Even if you had all Diamonds placed in Gold 5 they would reach Plat 1/Diamond 5 very quickly because their MMR is going to be giving them ~34LP and allowing them to skip G4, G2, etc. In short you would actually accomplish nothing unless you reset MMR which isn't necessary.

EedatJul 5, 20171 votes

I mean you're complaining about people being carried to a rank they dont deserve but all a hard reset would be is a shit ton of people ending up in ranks they have no business being in which completely destroys all of lower ELOs. All low ELO would be an absolute shitshow of people ending up in ranks they dont belong at. This problem is compounded by the fact there is no rank decay for bronze-gold which means it will take extraordinarily long to work itself out

What you're really asking for is to absolutely 100% destroy lower ELOs in order to catch a relative few amount of people who make it to D5 that maybe are only Plat players because I'm sorry there are no Silver level players magically making their way into D5 season after season.

Darth WestJul 5, 20171 votes

no

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