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@Riot: Can we finally get an answer?

TequilaZombie··7 votes·801 views

Riot, enough time has passed and enough posts were made from various Shaco mains about the Shaco rework.

The rework effectively killed AD Shaco and buffed his AP Damage (at the cost of survivability). I seriously hope that the "Less build diversity" isn't a filosofy that you want to take, Riot. Specially with a champion that had such a divided playerbase, with die hard fans for each of his playstyles, be it AD, AP, Tank, On-hit or Bruiser.

EDIT: I just deleted a huge wall of text detailing his problems that was supposed to go here. This is not the place to explain why the rework became basicly a nerf to most of hsi playstyles.

But those are just a few of my problems with it. The rest of the community is also pretty concerned.

Not that long ago, in a Ask Riot post, Ghostcrawler commented on how keeping radio silence on such subjects was detrimental to the community's trust in Riot. Turns out he was right, as there has been no answer to the community's feedback on Shaco.

Please understand that this is not an "OMG THEY KILLED SHACO" thread, but rather one asking to simply not let Shaco mains in the dark regarding your plans to him. Do you think he's ok now? Is it intended for his defining gameplay characteristics (early ganks, early invades, strong early - weak late) to be changed that much?

All I'm asking is to not leave us in the dark. If it were any other company, I'd simply move on from the game, but I still have some trust on Riot to hope that you will make changes if things become too dire. So please, answer. Not only to me, but to these guys:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2eUOPsXF-rip-shaco-the-jokes-on-shaco-now http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/be04IW2I-goodbye-shaco http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/WfMmuqYG-as-a-shaco-main http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EQeWQ5Iu-shaco-nerfs-are-too-harsh http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/RvYrEXU6-shacos-rework-killed-ad-assassin-shaco

And plenty others who are concerned.

10 Comments

Sherlock Clones3 votes

I would have to disagree, i believe AD Shaco is dead. I have been playing the new shaco without crit, except for IE of course and my damage is still a joke. When i can't kill an Ashe who is 3 lvls lower then me with no defensive items, there is a problem. The reason his winrate hasn't dropped too much is because most of the peeople who play him have well over 150+ games with him and know how to play him. Look at the damage dealt, its mostly magic now. I sometimes feel that website isn't accurate. Most people i have seen playing him have chosen to go AP. While AP isn't as bad as AD, it is no where near what it was. Also by going AP, your jungle clear suffers and its impossible to farm lanes. You have to rely on kills otherwise you fall behind. As a shaco main for 3 season, I am really disappointed in riot for nerfing him as much as they did. When i do less damage when attacking someone from behind then i would if i hit them in the front, its an issue

TequilaZombie1 votes

I've just came from a game in which I had to exhaust and ignite a lv 9 Bard who had 50% hp to secure the kill, while I was at lv 11 and 3/0. it's really fucked up.

CrazyBear19872 votes

Shaco right now is in the same place as Shen.

Was really good to a point, until nerfed to oblivion.

My guess if these are amputations before a rework + VGU next year.

I expect the old Shaco to be deleted and replaced with a new Shaco very different Shaco.

Cause thats the Riot way.

TequilaZombie1 votes

I have been expecting a full VGU for Shaco for about 1 and a half years. What I did not expect was such a random middle finger to it's players.

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

gosh shaco mains must have gotten so good at "deceive" that you have completely lost track of reality. complaints about the short stealth duration, and how he interacts with crit should definitely be looked at. However, all this BS about him not being AD anymore and him being garbage now is complete nonsense.

  1. "rework killed AD shaco" his current highest winrate build is full AD with a 53.73% winrate.
  2. "shaco is garbage now" his current winrate is 51.6% which is only a .1% drop DESPITE being reworked, and getting a small play rate increase(just over 2%).

I sympathize with getting the champ you love changed, but shaco players have had the worse reaction of all the champ reworks IMO. He is not dead, he is not trash as AD, and he is not "the worst of the assassin rework". OP sounds like a more reasonable shaco player, but goodness these shaco Q.Q thread that are just plain lying and ignore stats give shaco players a really bad name and makes it hard to get behind them.

TequilaZombie1 votes

About your second point:

"shaco is garbage now" his current winrate is 51.6% which is only a .1% drop DESPITE being reworked, and getting a small play rate increase(just over 2%).

Shaco's playerbase average experience is insanely high. Even with the rework, his playerbase with 125+ games is still going through the roof, so the high win rate is to be expected.

And the crit point is basicly my biggest complaint about the rework. Nerfing it from 324% to 195% is a an abismally big drop.

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

"Shaco's playerbase average experience is insanely high. Even with the rework, his playerbase with 125+ games is still going through the roof, so the high win rate is to be expected." This is a very fair point. The point still stands though that his winrate has not dropped despite the changes. While shaco mains have a high master of old shaco they still have to do a little bit of learning. that combined with the influx(small but sill notable 2%) of new players would(in theory) drop his winrate a significant amount if he was overall weaker than his previous version. Since his winrate didn't drop at all i think it's fair to assume that he is either just as strong as before if not a little stronger.

Like i said before i sympathize with getting the champ you love messed with, but shaco does NOT need straight buffs. It's obvious that ya'll are discontent with some of the changes done to him, so make those arguments! All these shaco Q.Q threads crying "OMG BUFF SHACO" and "shaco is trash now!" "RIP AD shaco" are not helping anything and make people like me not want to help you guys get what you want.

Bardful1 votes

Crit shaco is dead not ad and that is a lot of people's problem. They say ad when they mean crit.

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

That's kind of an important distinction XD and you are the literally the only one of like 20-30 shaco players on the boards that has mentioned it lol(if you are a shaco player)

Bardful1 votes

Yeah I know it is weird but, I have to assume this is what they meant because all crit doesn't effect back stab so building crit removes the point of your passive. Since statik shiv became a very important part of ad shaco's build this is the biggest reason people are concerned. IE is still built because the 50% extra crit dmg works with his back stab. Thinking on it now, you probably are right because a lot of people complain about shaco's damage now in general. Still I feel shaco isn't in that bad of a place now except for all the glitches and problems with new backstab (It can't proc thunderlords) and also, the e damage being too weak for you to even care about it aside from very late game.

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