@Meddler, about this Syndra buff on the PBE

Solidair3·Sep 3, 2015·19 votes·7,254 views

I feel mana per level is a step in the right direction for Syndra, as a champion who relies on comboing her abilities together, she consumes a lot of mana really fast, and increasing her per level amount would really help her in the long run.

Though I am curious, will these be the only changes we see this patch or are you guys still looking into changing her passive bonuses? Or are you putting that off for another patch in favor of stability for Worlds?

I wouldn't blame you, back before the changes to her E she was super broken, and the value of stability for Worlds is definitely something to consider.

28 Comments

RiotMeddlerSep 4, 20159 votes

Yeah, we took a look at mana spent over time if chain casting and Syndra's right up there with mages like Anivia and Karthus. Buffing her mana pool seemed like a good thing to look at as a result, hence we're testing that, give her a bit more staying power in longer engagements/an extra spell per back in lane (on average). We've also got a fix in for certain cases where spheres near, but not past, max E range wouldn't get knocked back.

That might be it for 5.18, though the balance team's still got a few more days to iterate before we need to lock the patch down. Worlds stability is pretty important this patch, so we're generally going for lighter than normal changes where appropriate.

Krys StarSep 4, 20152 votes

So Transcendence buffs are being held off then? Also what about the buffs to Miss Fortune that were promised? Are those also being put off until another patch...? :( I was honestly filled with anticipation this week, hoping that the Syndra and Miss Fortune changes would hit PBE for 5.18... :[ Please don't break our hearts, Meddler... D:

kitcat300Sep 4, 20151 votes

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Those are still happening, just not before worlds. Statikk (dude working on them) is making sure that they will have a real positive effect on making MF fun and relevant again. We don't wanna rush out something that isn't going to work.

Ideally when it's all done, some long standing complaints about her ult scaling and overall purpose as a character will be solved. MF's signature moves right now just aren't packing the punch that they should so we hope to fix that.

I'm not sure if he means before the actual worlds games, or just the worlds patch.

RiotMeddlerSep 4, 20155 votes

MF changes will be after the World's tournament, not just after the World's patch.

Not sure yet about possible other Syndra changes (passive) apart from post 5.18.

MadJOKER VPSep 4, 20151 votes

Hello Meddler, there's a bug live right now where Syndra's dark sphere projectile (E) is geting bouncedback by azir's ultimate (like windwall), is this intended? if not, since you guys are looking at her can this be fixed?

Lady HammerlockSep 4, 20151 votes

i think instead of mana increase she could have been given a buff to her early to her passive before a skill is maxed out(excluding ult)her mana costs are reduced by 5 this effect is removed upon maxing the skill

Linna ExcelSep 4, 20151 votes

Yeah, we took a look at mana spent over time if chain casting and Syndra's right up there with mages like Anivia and Karthus.

Soraka has the same problem and she's a gold-poor support who needs to rush a sightstone first. Or she has to finish a money item that doesn't give enough mp/5, the rush sightstone.

MÆGÉ ÇRÅƒTSep 5, 20151 votes

MÆGÉ ÇRÅƒTSep 5, 2015

Why is it that when ever syndra finallu gets her turn for a buff she end up with whack bug fixes and weak buffs? You know how many times youve messed with e? I wait patiently for you guys to fiablly do something and just when you about to do something with relvannce you reroll the buff. Syndra dosnt need more mana. I work perfectly within her parameters during laning. Shes fine inlane her problem is late game when targets are every where and tanks are all in the teams face. Idk im just hoping theres not another let down I even talked to @ricklessabandon aka rick mayher about the buff and how i was excited you were going to guve her something of meaning. I don't build roa for no reason . I have 300k mastery points with her sofar with so i have the game play knowledge of her and my win rate bounces veteran 59 and 60 and thats me as an enthusiast. Dont just play off the buff with a mana buff pls. Do something meaningful even if its just a q or w buff do what you say you were going to you said she needed a power buff so even if only one of the buffs can clear for worlds make it count riot

PiºSep 5, 20151 votes

@Meddler

All I really have to say is... I think it's a bit silly that her base damage on Q is less then her auto attack damage... Like... come on now that's just silly... technically she can auto about 3 times in the cooldown of her q and do more damage then one q even with a dorians ring level 1. I think even just a super small buff to the damage on Q could fix her. Not like it was before but I think when you guys nerfed her Q damage before you went a bit overboard... especially when there are champions with spells that have the same cooldown but are better. Cassiopeia's q does more damage and has more range and about the same delay.

MadraSep 4, 20154 votes

Sorry, LoL community... if you wanted bigger buffs than +Mana per level; you should have bought more Queen of Heart Syndra skins.

Cerulean LaserSep 4, 20155 votes

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Sorry, LoL community... if you wanted bigger buffs than +Mana per level; you should have bought more Queen of Heart Syndra skins.

Atlantean all day.

RiotMeddlerSep 4, 201518 votes

Justicar 4 life.

exe3Sep 4, 20152 votes

Still waiting/hoping for Pool Party or Frozen Syndra. :( sits in corner

warpenguin555Sep 4, 20152 votes

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Justicar 4 life.

See. Meddler knows which skin is her best

Sniper 0Sep 4, 20151 votes

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See. Meddler knows which skin is her best

Agreed :D

gafrattSep 4, 20152 votes

Can she get a real passive next?

Overlord ForteSep 3, 20151 votes

More changes are expected, as we are still in the start of this PBE cycle.

WheatloafSep 3, 20151 votes

They definitely want to do more than this, so we're just waiting to see whether they make it in this patch or not.

Solidair3Sep 3, 20151 votes

I hope you are right, Forte. I'd like a little change sooner rather than later.

Really I'm just curious about what W upgrade they go with.

VekknaSep 4, 20151 votes

I'd like it if it left a gravity field on the ground that slowed for like 2 or 3 seconds. Nothing huge, just the diameter of the initial slow impact. Safer kiting.

Silents429Sep 4, 20151 votes

Mana per level would not help her at all, by the time that extra mana is going to impact anything she stops needing it because by then she has a mana regen item anyway.

Solidair3Sep 4, 20151 votes

By level 10 the increase would be an extra cast of W or two, depending on the mana regeneration of the syndra in question. Is it a huge change? No. But it has the potential to make a difference once in a while.

Syndra doesn't need a LOT of help. She just needs a bit of a nudge.

AbyssphereSep 4, 20151 votes

Scarizard said on Reddit that they're still looking into passive changes but they can't give any ETA on them. IMO they'll come after world's and this is just to tide her over until then.

Solidair3Sep 4, 20151 votes

This is what I was thinking, I just wanted a red to give some confirmation.

S2C2Xd9KOySep 4, 20151 votes

They were working on a buff to W but Im sure they wouldnt go for that until worlds. 5.18 should be a really stable patch and there will be hot fixes Im sure.

MÆGÉ ÇRÅƒTSep 5, 20151 votes

This is a slap to the face .mana per level.you gotta be kidding me i habe a full set of rules i follow when laning where a mana per level buff dosnt make a diffrence. I just land my spells im tired of riot fking around with buffing her stick to the buff this time stick to it

Solidair3Sep 5, 20151 votes

As meddler said, syndra's mana usage is on par with Karthus and Anivia, but unlike them Syndra doesn't do well with tear or rod of ages because she relies on CDR to do her damage.

Mana per level is a good idea for her and should give her some more staying power.

They'll get to passive buffs after Worlds. Or at least the world's patch