Excuse me, CAPTAIN miss fortune.
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Excuse me, CAPTAIN miss fortune.
Thats Miss Captain miss fortune to you
Miss captain miss sara fortune?
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Miss captain miss sara fortune?
Dont you dare use her first name, Scrub D:<
Ho... ly... shit... This woman's far scarier than Gangplank.
She's not to be messed with, there's no doubt about that.
New lore is absolutely cool, but I find it gross that now it literally says about lovers. I hope it wasn't mutual, at least, as it ruins her new badass persona.
She used her wiles to get a lovesick fool to use to get back at GP.
Sounds to me like she'll do whatever it takes to get what she wants. She's pretty badass in my eyes.
She used her wiles to get a lovesick fool to use to get back at GP.
Sounds to me like she'll do whatever it takes to get what she wants. She's pretty badass in my eyes.
Yeah, the femme fatale vibe with MF is much stronger now. I like it.
:/ shes not to be messed with and yet her her animations look silly, especially her ulti when she is shooting off her guns in such a cartoony fashion :C
The way I see it, this is her playing her enemies for fools. She acts flirty and silly is just to get her enemies to let their guard down and not take her seriously. But you know what they say...
Fortune doesn't favor fools.
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The way I see it, this is her playing her enemies for fools. She acts flirty and silly is just to get her enemies to let their guard down and not take her seriously. But you know what they say...
Fortune doesn't favor fools.
So, like, why is this the justification for literally every female champion? They don't wear armor/don't use their weapons right/try to run in heels/flirt with everything in order to make their enemies let their guard down? It's very tiring.
Yeah...Leona has super 'flirty' animations and skimpy armor...
Very few female champions are like this. Skimpy? That is fairly prevalent, but not nearly as much if you don't count skin-tight armor.
Flirty animations? I can think of MF, Lux...yeah, that's all I got off the top of my head.
Don't make things up just to show your feminist colors. League could be a LOT LOT LOT worse when it comes to sexualization.
Female champions who sacrificed characterization/practicality for sex-appeal:

Female champions who have blatant sex appeal but do not lose empowerment because of it:

Other female champions are even more arguable, being either lacking in blatant sex appeal choices (Liss, Anivia) or having character issues for reasons unrelated (Sona, Soraka).
As for flirty animations specifically, I can't be bothered going through to look 'em up. Anyway, the basic point is that Riot is better than most gaming companies when it comes to creating varied, powerful, and deep female characters, but they are not perfect on that front. For instance, the new splash arts for
after their reworks all have weird broken bodies for little other discernible reason than eye candy, though the champion designs themselves are fine.
I would say the 'broken bodies' are too make them look more powerful, honestly. All of their broken backs are because they're in the middle of fighting, not pole dancing.
I wouldn't say the before mentioned characters sacrifice practicality. They don't wear heavy armor because none of them are tanky in the least. Every single one of them are actually super squishy, excluding Elise who is a fighter, and Evelynn IF you build her that way (since that a prominent way to build her anyway).
A lot of them are unnecessarily skimpy, sure. Akali COULD wear pants, Morgana could wear more than a bra, etc. I'm not gonna argue against that, certainly not. But someone like LeBlanc, I would peg that as a fashion thing more than anything else, Kat? Nothing particularly raunchy about it. Her top is small. Her pants are tight. Nami isn't wearing clothes, she's a fish person.
I didn't need to look up certain animations to tell that Lux and MF are flirty, I just know they are and I'm not afraid to admit it. But most other female champions are 100% business with their animations. They're very forceful and have their minds on the goal.
And there are some male champions who are sexualized as well. Varus is shirtless all the time, and he isn't particularly muscled. I would call his body type a 'Boy toy teenage girls dream' more than anything. Someone like TF isn't wearing very few clothes, but he's always swave, particular about how he dresses, is a smooth talker, etc. He isn't wearing few clothes, but they are certainly not practical clothes, and he's wearing them to look attractive.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there is no sexualization in league, DEFINITELY not saying that. But for all the things to complain about, that is close to the bottom of the list, especially in comparison to most other games in the industry. You lumped all the female champions together and you only complained about how they only exist to be sexual, when that is far from the truth.
I would say the 'broken bodies' are too make them look more powerful, honestly. All of their broken backs are because they're in the middle of fighting, not pole dancing.
I wouldn't say the before mentioned characters sacrifice practicality. They don't wear heavy armor because none of them are tanky in the least. Every single one of them are actually super squishy, excluding Elise who is a fighter, and Evelynn IF you build her that way (since that a prominent way to build her anyway).
A lot of them are unnecessarily skimpy, sure. Akali COULD wear pants, Morgana could wear more than a bra, etc. I'm not gonna argue against that, certainly not. But someone like LeBlanc, I would peg that as a fashion thing more than anything else, Kat? Nothing particularly raunchy about it. Her top is small. Her pants are tight. Nami isn't wearing clothes, she's a fish person.
I didn't need to look up certain animations to tell that Lux and MF are flirty, I just know they are and I'm not afraid to admit it. But most other female champions are 100% business with their animations. They're very forceful and have their minds on the goal.
And there are some male champions who are sexualized as well. Varus is shirtless all the time, and he isn't particularly muscled. I would call his body type a 'Boy toy teenage girls dream' more than anything. Someone like TF isn't wearing very few clothes, but he's always swave, particular about how he dresses, is a smooth talker, etc. He isn't wearing few clothes, but they are certainly not practical clothes, and he's wearing them to look attractive.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there is no sexualization in league, DEFINITELY not saying that. But for all the things to complain about, that is close to the bottom of the list, especially in comparison to most other games in the industry. You lumped all the female champions together and you only complained about how they only exist to be sexual, when that is far from the truth.
Can't have
in a bikini -too cold in the Frelijord! Perfectly okay to have
and
shirtless.
The reason for that is that Braum and Tryndamere have muscles all over their bodies. When Sejuani got updated they said,they thought about puttin muscles onto her body instead of giving her armor,but because they thought muscles changed her appearance too much,they went for the armor.
The reason for that is that Braum and Tryndamere have muscles all over their bodies. When Sejuani got updated they said,they thought about puttin muscles onto her body instead of giving her armor,but because they thought muscles changed her appearance too much,they went for the armor.
Does nothing to alleviate the double standard - muscle gets colder far faster than fat. A highly-chiseled physique will not help one whit with the cold.
it still looks a lot tougher,which is double important for Sejuani considering that she is a tank.
Also muscles get colder faster than fat,but what about someone who is neither fat nor has big muscles?Because thats what Sejuani looked like before the VU.
it still looks a lot tougher,which is double important for Sejuani considering that she is a tank.
Also muscles get colder faster than fat,but what about someone who is neither fat nor has big muscles?Because thats what Sejuani looked like before the VU.
Problem isn't that Sej didn't have issues. Problem is the slut-shamers' double standards.
And thats based on what exactly?
yes there were some people who complained about Sejuani providing fanservice,despite living in the cold,but the same would have been said for a male character without much muscles or fat.Its just that there wasn't such a character in the freljord.
Actually, Rioters have mentioned feeling as though Trynd's visual design is pretty lackluster, going for the "Northern barbarian" trope rather than making an actual character. Braum is from a relatively warm part of the Freljord, rather than deep in the Northwest.
Braum is implied to be an Iceborn. They don't get cold.
Tryndamere is a psychopath.
I would say the 'broken bodies' are too make them look more powerful, honestly. All of their broken backs are because they're in the middle of fighting, not pole dancing.
It's perfectly possible to make someone look powerful, dynamic, and engaging without breaking spines. Sivir is the worst offender; she actually just looks like an action figure falling apart at the joints.
I wouldn't say the before mentioned characters sacrifice practicality. They don't wear heavy armor because none of them are tanky in the least. Every single one of them are actually super squishy, excluding Elise who is a fighter, and Evelynn IF you build her that way (since that a prominent way to build her anyway).
"I'm not a tank" shouldn't mean "I'm in a miniskirt and corset teehee." Lux and Fiora basically wear spandex with a bit of light armor, but their choices make sense. LeBlanc is basically just belts, a cape, and skin; that doesn't get a free pass just because she's a mage. Nami has her chest filleted open just to show cleavage; that's not a requirement for any sort of mermaid.
And there are some male champions who are sexualized as well. Varus is shirtless all the time, and he isn't particularly muscled. I would call his body type a 'Boy toy teenage girls dream' more than anything. Someone like TF isn't wearing very few clothes, but he's always swave, particular about how he dresses, is a smooth talker, etc. He isn't wearing few clothes, but they are certainly not practical clothes, and he's wearing them to look attractive.
Varus is fine because he's past the point of really recognizing his own appearance. Braum is a show-off. Cassi is a seductress. MF flirts to throw people off guard. It's fine for sexualization to exist in the League; it just needs to actually fit the character. Ahri throws charms as part of her combat, but why is Janna dressed in a couple of ribbons? It needs to make sense.
You lumped all the female champions together and you only complained about how they only exist to be sexual, when that is far from the truth.
When did I do anything of the sort?
is a gumiho,she flirted with men to lure them into a trap and suck out their life essence.
used to use her looks to seduce others and get information from them
is a black widow(literally),seduction is part of that.
yeah she is kind of a femme fatale,but I agree that they went overboard with her.Its one of the reasons why her VU takes so long,that they have to understand what they're gonna do with her
is a mermaid,they aren't known to wear that much(and clothing would be kinda weird under water)
is supposed to look like Xena,giving her more amror would ruin that
is supposed to look like poison ivy,again more armor would ruin that
is basically a female tarzan,no wonder that she doesn't wear much.
is rather flirty,but thats more of an act.
Did you actually read what I said, or just look at the icons I picked out?
We agree about Ahri, Cassi, MF, and Eve. Sivir, Zyra, and Nid shouldn't get free passes just based on being referential, because that's incredibly lazy design. Nami has had her chest filleted open needlessly just to show more cleavage. Elise is just straight-up a dominatrix.
I simply listed all the females where the "sexy"-aspect is sort of justified because of their basic concept. I listed those that you also listed for completions sake.
Nami is a mermaid,how often are mermaids actually well covered?Almost never.In fact its not uncommon for them to be completely naked(if the age rating of the medium they appear in allows it). And Elise is a black widow,a champ with such a thematic is bound to be seductive in some way.
Nida,Sivir and Zyra would loose these references if they were more covered(not to mention that them wearing these clothes actually fits rather well anyway,Why would a plant wear clothes?Why would Nida wear lots of clothes,despite growing up among animals?)
Nami is a mermaid,how often are mermaids actually well covered?Almost never.In fact its not uncommon for them to be completely naked(if the age rating of the medium they appear in allows it). And Elise is a black widow,a champ with such a thematic is bound to be seductive in some way.
Mermaids are also usually human from the waist up. Nami is not. She has fish elements continuing up all the way to her "hair", and her chest has literally been opened up right along a cleavage line. Black widows are not seductresses; they might be anthropomorphized to sadists at best. These explanations simply don't hold up.
Nida,Sivir and Zyra would loose these references if they were more covered(not to mention that them wearing these clothes actually fits rather well anyway,Why would a plant wear clothes?Why would Nida wear lots of clothes,despite growing up among animals?)
Those references are not sufficient excuses. Zyra has STRONG canonical reasons to be wearing clothes, if you read her actual story. (EDIT: No she doesn't. She has strong canonical reasons to EITHER dress fully OR be fully naked. I misremembered her story.) She's wearing a sorceresses body. So, Zyra specifically chose to remove her new body's robe, wrap a few vines around herself, craft a pair of thorny high heels, then strut her way onto the rift. Again, the excuses just do not hold weight. These designs are lazy and silly at best. Even Rioters have acknowledged this ("girl in a sexy costume" syndrome).
About Nami&Elise: Nami simply takes some elements from the more fishlike depictions of the merfolk,mixing the sexy look and the fishlike look to represent both of them at the same time. Black widows are famous for being man eaters,if you describe a woman as a black widow,then she is someone who seduces men and kills them to get their money.While Elise doesn't act like one,she still has the black widow motif.
About Zyra: You should read her lore before posting.She ATE the womens body(and most likley her clothes),after that she recreated the body of the sorceress.
And don't get me wrong,I am not saying that every girl is justified wearing a "sexy outfit",I just think that those that I listed are the most acceptables,because it is part of their general concept/character.
Nami still has her chest split open exclusively for human-style cleavage. I don't get why that's fine.
Black widows eat their mates, yes, but they're not really all that seductive. They're just generally super deadly.
On Zyra, I think you're assuming too much by claiming that the sorceresses body and clothing were likely consumed, but I'd be assuming similar by claiming otherwise. Her lore is just too sparse. What still is strange, though, is that the Plant Lady of League is running around in high heels and censor vines.
Its because Mermaids are usually associated with revealing outfits,thats simply the general style of them.
If you describe a woman as a black widow,then that usually means she seduces men to kill them in order to get their money or something like that.Seducing someone is an essential part of that character archetype. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackWidow
And Zyras lore explicitly mentions how she ate the sorceress and recreated the body,that means unless her plant body spat out the clothes still fully intact,she wouldn't have any(and why would she even feel shame?She is a plant,unlike ahri it doesn't look like Zyra got a human conciousness) Also giving her human clothes would give her less of a natural feeling and make her look more like a human with plant powers. The high heels are a bit over top though I agree on that.
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So, like, why is this the justification for literally every female champion? They don't wear armor/don't use their weapons right/try to run in heels/flirt with everything in order to make their enemies let their guard down? It's very tiring.
.....
NEXT DELUSION!
And as for
? She's been stated to want to show off her scars as a message against Kayle's tyranny, she is an angel (of sorts) and thus has no need for human morality - she wears a full-length skirt,she has WINGS- so explain how comfortable it would be to wear an excess of clothing on her torso...
Seriously, slut-shaming from the Tumblr brigade is so very tiresome.
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Fortune doesn't favor fools.
I am not so certain.
http://www.aerieoftheroc.com/portfolio/images/p3tarot/00fool_web.jpg
(W) Impure Shots Passive: Basic attacks deal 0 bonus magic damage, stacking cumulatively up to 0 times for a maximum of 0 bonus magic damage.
I don't know why but I just found that hilarious. XD
I really like the first person present tense approach to the telling of the lore. It gives us more insight on the character's thoughts and actions in specific situations, which gives them more depth, as opposed to the third person past tense approach.
Are the MF voiceovers going to be changed to reflect her "Play dirty = get what you want" mentality? I feel like they're currently (dare I say it) too flirtatious in comparison to her new lore.
In any case, kudos to whoever was behind this. Keep it up. Give us ALL the lore.
I love
's new lore. It makes me feel like I actually know who I'm maining now and gives her the badass, ruthless vibe she needed. She isn't just a champion who flirts around to get what she wants, she has wits and power. It took her years to plan this all out and get the right pawns in place and it worked. Given we haven't heard a word about finding
body yet but for now we can assume Miss Sarah Fortune has succeeded in her revenge.
"Men thinking with their guns will oft neglect their pistols."
Anyone who followed GP is gonna pay. Also, I saw someone post about how the carbine the guy had was Piltover, so speculation is we heading there next, which means possible Cait VU
Not to mention Graves and TF both implied they would be heading to Piltover to get some freee (stolen) cash!
I am pretty sure Cait's VU is a ways off, (she isn't even on the update list), but we certainly might be heading there for lore.
I don't remember fiora in the list and wops, looks what we got.
That is true, however we did get confirmation on the boards that fiora was getting looked at in advance, and we were also told by Iron Stylus that Cait was on the back burner for now very recently.
Especially because they are having trouble coming up with an acceptable concept. (A lot of people like her whole "I have huge boobs" look but whether she can thematically look Piltoverian and still have the cleavage is the main problem, I think)
"A lot of people like her whole "I have huge boobs" look"
what.
Listen, man. I don't get it either, but every time a Cait VU is brought up one of the main things brought up is "She'd better keep her mini skirt and clevage!"
Which I personally do not think are essential to her character.
In fact i think they are toxic for a character based on being respected.
And i fin that wierd since the headhunter cait was changed erasing fanservice.
Don't forget the "fuzzy cuffs" crap.
Well dude that is just a joke.
Riot could always give her a Traditional skin to keep her minidress. There, everyone wins.