I tank inhib tower for 20s, then heal to full in 2. Who am I?

Hyrum Graff·Nov 13, 2016·2 votes·1,134 views

Tank karma may not work at high elo, but on behalf of all my top lane opponents, I sincerely hope she sees changes sooner than later.

12 Comments

BhagswagNov 13, 20161 votes

lol nice

Hyrum GraffNov 13, 20161 votes

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lol nice

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51pb7g_a-new-challenger-approaches_videogames

FioraWillCarryNov 13, 20161 votes

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51pb7g_a-new-challenger-approaches_videogames

OMFG. That was sooo sick. I'd love to know what items he had.

EDIT:

Just realized that was you playing. What items man ?

Hyrum GraffNov 13, 20161 votes

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OMFG. That was sooo sick. I'd love to know what items he had.

EDIT:

Just realized that was you playing. What items man ?

At that point I had item 3111 item 3027 (10 stacks) item 3110 item 3067

Proof: You can briefly see them at the start of the video.

In the second video I think the kindlegem was a visage and I also had a item 3114

FioraWillCarryNov 13, 20161 votes

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At that point I had (10 stacks)

Proof: You can briefly see them at the start of the video.

In the second video I think the kindlegem was a visage and I also had a

Wow....Didn't know that shit could work on an AP mage so well.

Hyrum GraffNov 14, 20161 votes

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Wow....Didn't know that shit could work on an AP mage so well.

Ack, I just reloaded by accident and lost my math. Tl;dr, it works because if you ult-W you have a 55% missing hp heal every 6.6 seconds, on top of a ~200hp shield every 4.4 seconds and a crap ton of resistances.

Edit: I actually forgot about windspeaker's and runic blessing. Make that 65% of missing hp.

SilverSquidNov 13, 20161 votes

No worries, she is probably maybe perhaps gonna get adressed very soon in the enchanter update in 2018 :^)

On a more serious note: I never understood why they used straight up tankscalings for her heal, making it less effective for her mage/support builds, but her also having no other tankscalings. It's not like she doesn't already have troubles getting all the stats she needs.

Hyrum GraffNov 14, 20161 votes

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No worries, she is probably maybe perhaps gonna get adressed very soon in the enchanter update in 2018 :^)

On a more serious note: I never understood why they used straight up tankscalings for her heal, making it less effective for her mage/support builds, but her also having no other tankscalings. It's not like she doesn't already have troubles getting all the stats she needs.

It's not pure tank scaling -- it does have an AP component. But the AP component isn't good enough to make it worth taking over r-q when you're going full AP, except occasionally in 1v1s vs melee champs.

SilverSquidNov 15, 20161 votes

I didn't say "pure". But it scales with effective health, which mages have rather little of.

Strongest role? Nah. She can be incredibly annyoing, but lacks the damage/massCC of other tanks. Low ranks she excels at a support mage that can switch to secondary AP carry or midlaner that will always be useful. Higher Elos she is just abuseable in pro teams, it seems. As you quite correctly stated; her RE is way too reliable.

Hyrum GraffNov 15, 20161 votes

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I didn't say "pure". But it scales with effective health, which mages have rather little of.

Strongest role? Nah. She can be incredibly annyoing, but lacks the damage/massCC of other tanks. Low ranks she excels at a support mage that can switch to secondary AP carry or midlaner that will always be useful. Higher Elos she is just abuseable in pro teams, it seems. As you quite correctly stated; her RE is way too reliable.

Tank karma top plays like a tryndamere/mundo hybrid who's also capable of teamfighting.

You sit top lane and perma-push all day, then do this if they try to collapse on you:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51pb7h_they-learned-their-lesson-the-first-time-they-tried-to-dive_videogames

Once you complete RoA, you literally (dictionary definition) never run oom -- your healing from R-W is a better mana:heal ratio than catalyst's damage:mana ratio. Because you never have to back, you can back only to buy and only when you have tele up, then come right back to lane. This almost always ensures you have a level advantage over your opponent... There are very few champions who can kill you while you're splitting.

But, unlike most champions who split, Karma isn't a bad teamfighter. I like to build Censor as a late item; in teamfights I'm a super tanky support who doesn't die. And, in the mid-game, one that still does a lot of damage.

SilverSquidNov 16, 20161 votes

Sir, I have mained Karma for (over) 2 seasons. I had my fair share of mid/support/top and even some jungle Karma. It was even I who proposed the Frozen Karma build after the 5.10 changes came through (support Karma with item 3110 item 3116 for some crazy tankyness and utility).

I am not impressed with the video, I must admit. What Karma, when played tanky, struggles with is hard CC. All her tankyness stems from her ability to constantly shield/heal. Once this is interrupted, she falls quickly. This is also why your proud moment was against two champions who could not lock you down.

The thing with splitting Karma is; you don't push lanes quickly, when built tanky, and your tower destroying speed is subpar as well. Compared to other splitpushers you also can't duel most champions, you just easily escape/survive them. This means one lategame carry can keep you in check, whereas actually good splitters require the enemy team to send 2 champions to stop you, forcing a lose-lose situation. Karma doesn't do that.

Yeah, she is not a bad teamfighter. But she also isn't the crazy teamfighter and tide-turner champions like Malphite/Amumu/Rumble/... are. She can't carry, she can only hope to keep another carry alive.

Hyrum GraffNov 14, 20161 votes

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No worries, she is probably maybe perhaps gonna get adressed very soon in the enchanter update in 2018 :^)

On a more serious note: I never understood why they used straight up tankscalings for her heal, making it less effective for her mage/support builds, but her also having no other tankscalings. It's not like she doesn't already have troubles getting all the stats she needs.

Also, shield scales with resists and she has pretty good bases.

I'm convinced that tank is her strongest role in gold and below (even if mid is where she belongs).

In higher elo and especially competitive she's strongest as support, but only because of the incredible reliability of her r-e.