Mana potions are getting removed. Plz dont remove cookies though!!!

Poske·Oct 28, 2015·30 votes·24,383 views

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/preseason-2016-crests-horizon

I also feel like this is a nerf for brand. Since he is one of the few who finds it awkward to build mana regen (Like athene morelo) since he has to rush his core items asap .. No mana pots for brand );

Most of brands buy 2-3 dorans some mana pots along side with cookies and just rush core items. Unless they have excact gold for morellonomicon parts or something

Cant think of any other mage who doesnt like mana regen items while he has mana as a stat. Maybe someone doesnt build mana rege items on lux ? Or xerath since his passive is quite insane..

130 Comments

The Bearded BardOct 28, 201522 votes

Karma Shaco Gangplank Ziggs Zyra Orianna are all fucked. Those are the only champs I build mana potions on, but I rely on them heavily.

Remlap1223Oct 28, 20153 votes

I'm pretty sure the community would be more than happy to bury Gangplank again.

A Miss FortuneOct 28, 20154 votes

And all of the Miss Fortune mains will be happy to kill him once again.

A Miss FortuneOct 28, 20153 votes

I believe mana hungry champions are going to be compensated by having their base mana pool/regen buffed but even then It's difficult to say that it isn't a hard nerf either ways. If It's something small like an extra 20 mana, Mid laners like Karma, Orianna, or Zyra are just going to be impossible to play before getting mana items. However if It's something big like an extra 200 base mana it would be really nice on champions like Zyra who go Mid and go oom literally after like 2 - 3 abilities.

sreggadOct 28, 201510 votes

They aren't fucked. You just have to play them differently. Think outside the damn box. Stop playing league the same way every games.

sunneOct 28, 20156 votes

This. People gotta learn to improvise.

Shyvana BotOct 29, 201520 votes

Yeah, when orients qw combo costs half her mana early game. Just improvise, bend over and let that zed penetrate you ( with his passive, duh). Don't make it hard on yourself, you should've just played Zed Yasuo Like riot intended.

Brother SylasOct 29, 20151 votes

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NielarkenOct 29, 201515 votes

not armor penetration he means anal penetration.

stormEdanielsOct 29, 201519 votes

Improvise. Oh you mean play sub optimally, yeah everyone should get on board with that.

NielarkenOct 29, 201517 votes

Anivia Sona Nami So as these 3 don't cast spells till you have a item 3165 or item 3222 / item 3174 ? ok got it.

Blades of NavoriOct 29, 20155 votes

Basically and lux

The Bearded BardOct 29, 201510 votes

Man this is just an ignorant thing to say. Play them differently all you want, they've all got heavy mana costs early on and usually lane against champions like Renekton Darius Zed Yasuo Diana Fiora Riven etc, champions with little to no mana costs.

Can I manage against them without mana potions? Sure, but why would I want to? Why remove something like that? You're not helping anything by doing that, only hurting the few champions that depend on them. Why make things harder on the champions that are already gated by mana when there are non mana resource champs and non resource champs to deal with?

TheorcheroOct 29, 20157 votes

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They aren't fucked. You just have to play them differently. Think outside the damn box. Stop playing league the same way every games.

ad crit brand here we come

sreggadOct 29, 20152 votes

Now that's what I'm talking about. you take that ad crit brand and kick osme ass with it.

FortuneDoesWeedNov 24, 20151 votes

Actually i barely see any ap mid using mana potions, so he's thinking outside of the box, so you're totally being stupid there.

sreggadNov 24, 20151 votes

You are not very bright are you? The post wasn't about "all ap mids" It was about those 6 that he "heavily relied on mana potions" I'll give you an A for trying and an F for reading.

Cloud PotatoOct 29, 20151 votes

Maybe they're supposed to have mana issues early game.

The Bearded BardOct 29, 20156 votes

They do, that's why you buy mana potions. Same reason you buy health potions on champions that have health costs or simply bad early games.

DemaciaClownOct 29, 20152 votes

Sure cause noone fuking plays galio :'(

blackcat1300Dec 6, 20151 votes

Karthus no mana pot and no summoner 13 this is terrible.

RiotFearlessOct 29, 201514 votes

Champs that are very mana reliant are getting base changes, we're adding a much more accessible line of flasks, and biscuits remain.

The Bearded BardOct 29, 201511 votes

What about those champions that aren't deemed 'very mana reliant' by you? For example, AP Shaco top. Heavily reliant on mana, but isn't his main position and isn't his main build. Will he be receiving mana buffs?

SH AzykanOct 30, 20153 votes

to be fair, AD shaco is still rather mana reliant early

BhagswagNov 1, 20151 votes

I disagree. In all my jungling days maining Shaco, I don't think I ever felt too much of a lack of mana. Usually I back only if my health somehow dropped, not because I'm OOM.

SH AzykanNov 1, 20153 votes

Top Lane, not jungle Jungle you just grab rangers trailblazer and never go oom

PDE5 InhibitorsOct 30, 20153 votes

Or the ADCs that I play? I often have to buy many mana pots on my ADCs cuz I suck at landing skill shots and waste all my mana.

If I want to continue to spam spells, and as a consequence waste gold on mana pots, that should be my right!

Like, this is just dumb. You're removing THE ONLY WAY TO TRY AND DEAL WITH resourceless champs. Can we stop the Zed boner already?

Vistha KaiOct 30, 20154 votes

This +50 mana at level 1 will surely make a difference.

You can give yourself a raise now.

Thee Pie ManNov 6, 20152 votes

Does that mean all champions that use more than X mana per spell- or simply champions that Riot decides as "Meta" for High mana roles like Mid champions? I'm not trying to start anything I'm just really curious; how does what this bring fit in with what will benefit the community as a whole vs the pro-players? Is the change more out of trying to phase out items so management over different potions isn't an issue? Or is it simply because popping a mana potion negates the idea of what Mana did- as in; put a stopper on the ability of a champion and made them have to think about how they were using mana and when?

I don't want to feel as though Energy/mana-less champions are better even with higher cooldowns simply because I don't have to manage something extra through a more complex system than what's in place with the mana potions. New flasks? Cool, biscuits are still here- awesome. I just hope that the idea is pretty prominent to what exactly is going on when the pre-season starts setting in and what not.

I don't want it to end up like Graves cigar, is what I'm trying to get across. (Just a small joke, please don't take it as non-validation for the rest of the post. c: )

EtaneyNov 19, 20151 votes

We already know manaless champions are better in every single way to a champion with mana- you don't need to buff already OP champions.

FortuneDoesWeedNov 24, 20151 votes

Well when i see how Riot usually define what's op and what's not for example, i'm pretty sure you will miss most of the "mana reliant" champs

blackcat1300Dec 6, 20151 votes

You missed Karthus the most mana reliant champ. Karthus [zombie-brand-facepalm]

XehanörtOct 28, 201511 votes

So, they nerfed mana regeneration items (Grail, Morellonomicon, and maybe even Tear?), they nerfed mana masteries (flat mana instead of mana regen), they nerfed mana regen as stat on a lot of champs, and now they're also removing mana potions.

100 mana tends to benefit certain types of champions over others

Meanwhile resourceless/energy based champions. Zed Yasuo

NavyDiveaOct 29, 20152 votes

Please read the entire comment, mana pools/regen will be adjusted to compensate alont with the new flasks. Seriously why does no one read the entire post.

XehanörtOct 29, 20156 votes

I read it, but I find their reasons ridicolous. They're removing mana potions because "certain types of champions can dominate others because of mana potions".

Ok, they will change mana stats for some champions, but I don't think it will be enough (I may be wrong, though), especially after 2 seasons of mana regen nerfs.

LankPantsOct 29, 20159 votes

Huge indirect Zed buff in the stupidest way possible. His strategy in lane was already to spam waveclear into the enemies tower and force them to burn through their mana to equal it, now that's going to be even worse.

Cloud PotatoOct 29, 20155 votes

Then they should nerf Zed. Riot can't be afraid to make good changes to the game because something might end up breaking.

Handin Out NapsOct 29, 20153 votes

How is everyone too dense to understand that Riot is giving champs who will run into problems are receiving higher mana pools and higher regen. If anything you people should be happy, using mana properly will now be rewarded even more. But then again no one knows how to use mana in gold and lower. Feelsbadman.

brightblade216Nov 19, 20153 votes

Thats entirely false, some will have higher regen, some will have higher pools, but the pool is pretty much only higher early game, and they nerfed the growth of the pool. mostly supports are getting higher regen. so any mana thirsty ap mid (any mid using mana) can get their extra one ability off. dont suck riots dick for removing an item most of the community uses and loves.

Handin Out NapsNov 19, 20151 votes

"Don't suck riot's dick for removing an item most of the community uses and loves". Learn to manage mana bud, honestly so many people don't do it and it hinders their performance in lane. If you are crying about the mana pot removal you don't know how to manage mana in the slightest.

EtaneyNov 19, 20152 votes

Yea sure- learn to manage mana with Orianna, Viktor, Anivia, Tresh, Sona, Soraka, Brand (and about 50 others) who use literally HALF for ONE combo. Meanwhile Zed, Akali, Katarina, Jax, Riven, Lee Sin, Vlad... and anyone else without mana spams like retards they are and are killing me because their champion>my champion. Pick>skill.

Handin Out NapsNov 20, 20151 votes

Well let me begin by saying I don't play Sona, Soraka, Orianna, and Anivia. But let me also say Sona and Soraka spamming their shit sounds really bullshit. As for the rest Anivia should not be focusing on spamming spells in lane she should be playing safe and farming up for her mana items, it isn't too hard to manage mana as Ori as long as you aren't going too crazy trying to kill your other laner early. I've seen many Ori's keep their mana at a stable level through lane. Thresh similar to soraka and sona should have to think about his hooks, don't throw them around hoping to catch someone that would be stupid as well. Now Brand and Viktor are 2 of my favorite champs in the game, AND I KNOW DAMN WELL I HAVE NEVER GONE OOM ON THEM UNLESS I AM BEING A TOTAL DUMBASS. Like I said people don't understand how to manage mana properly in low elo, it is such a ridiculously strong tool in lane. Also pls I could smash any of those manaless champs with Viktor and Brand. The only thing you are telling me is that you don't know how to conserve your mana in lane, you either don't know how to use your autos to last hit or you think you should be throwing your spells around like a total dumbass. Btw although champs like Zed aren't gated early they sure as hell are gated late game, try using your spells wrong in a long fight as Zed, trust me it doesn't end in your favor.

EtaneyNov 20, 20152 votes

Wow you sound dumb- and what would you know - you play mostly Zed. This is as surprising as snow in middle of December.

"Don't spamm"- well that's not a problem since I can use my ability like 4 times before I need to wait next 5 minutes for mana.

"Now Brand and Viktor are 2 of my favorite champs in the game," 166 games with Zed, 25 with Viktor and 13 with Brand... Yes, I'm sure.

I play Ori and rarely lose my mana through laning phase, still doesn't mean I'm not pissed off that I have to preserve mana (and can't get it back) and know how to play while one Zed misses 99% of his abilities and can spamm like a retard and I can't. He's not that easy- but saying a champion with so much AOE attacks and 2 flashes is hard?

"I never ran oom" - so you're just farming with basic attacks until you're level 15? Or are you just lying because you would have to have ran out of mana if you were ever playing against Zed. Also, I'm curious what such a pro, such as yourself, does when you are up against a snowballing champ you need to shut down early? Let them farm? Brilliant.

Ok- don't spamm as healer. Lose mana anyway because, what do you know- you have to heal people. You wouldn't know because you don't play supports. Very surprising #sarcasm

Handin Out NapsNov 20, 20151 votes

Ranked stats? lol pls I have rank 5 on Viktor and Brand, they are easily 2 of my favorite champs. The fact that you are sitting here whining about Zed being op is enough of a reason for me to just ignore you completely. Btw Im farming with basic attacks until I get my double dorans, mana item, or blue buff. You can shove with Viktor, and Brand easily with just one spell and a couple of auto attacks, you shouldn't be going oom unless you are being a complete dumbass. Playing vs Zed? PLS I can side step all his poke and poke him back while pushing without losing much mana, then I go back buy my seekers double dorans then litterally become unkillable unless i make a huge mistake. Zed is so garbage right now it isn't even funny, Honestly just l2p. Whenever a scrub starts whining about Zed I just lose interest, but dw you will get the hang of it one day just keep practicing :))))!!! P.S I dont even get Seekers until after my 2nd upgrade on VIktor just because I have 0 problems fighting Zed. P.S2 Zed is a snowbally champ that needs to SNOWBALL early, his late game is garbage and he can be countered by every item/ new champ in the game. Litterally dont die, thats it.

EtaneyNov 20, 20152 votes

You can get rank 5 by playing a champion for a week- it's really not that hard to get. Also- if you love them so much- why don't you play them in ranked? I guess because you just want to play trash Zed instead of abusing OP Viktor.

Also, I'm not "wining about Zed". In fact- you're the one who latched onto him. I just named him as one of manaless OP champs- nothing more, then I gave 3 points out of which Zed was only one- your reply is only about Zed. I'm complaining about manaless champs being OP and they can spam abilities like bronze morons, but mana is getting yet another nerf so champions with mana can't do exactly that.

Mid isn't only ones getting nerfes. Mana dependent junglers (especially after buff duration nerf) are getting a hit, supports as well, even some ADC and tops. But these are valid points you ignore so you can pat yourself on the back because you can get enough brainpower to manage mana for one out of 10 games before it becomes too much for you and you switch back to manaless champs. I played vs Plat Vs so I'm a little bit more "scrubby" than you.

P.S: Champions snowball on gold. Kills isn't only thing getting you money. If champions farm- they will snowball even if they don't kill you (and Zed has excellent wave clear). I'd expect someone on plat to know something THIS basic. But I guess if you did you wouldn't need to climb with Zed.

Handin Out NapsNov 21, 20151 votes

Actually I said champs like Zed, then you decided to latch on and begin the whine fest. Luckily league isn't balanced around low elo because then Zed would be left in trash tier. 3 Zed buffs on pbe yay :D. At the end of the day my mid lane champs run deep, and Brand/ Viktor are two of my favorites, and I sure as hell don't need some kid running around looking through my ranked games telling me I don't play these champs. You can continue arguing but at this point you will be talking to yourself, have a nice day/night :).

EtaneyNov 21, 20151 votes

I like it how you ignore every point I make and just focus on how you can call me names.

I would hardly call something you barely play your favorite (and something you've played once (Brand) or twice (Viktor) in past two weeks- meanwhile you played "trash Zed" 13 times). Especially if you don't even think you can win ranked with them.

"I don't need some kid running around looking through my ranked games telling me I don't play these champs"- Translation: I don't need someone calling out when I'm bulshitting through my teeth. These stats are available by googling your username and spending full 2 minutes looking at your profile. I'm not sure why you're lying about easily checkable facts and acting outraged when I check them.

Hmmm maybe you can make arguments why nerfing mana (again) is not totally unfair to anyone using mana while every manaless champ can spam like a low elo trash? (eg. your belowed Zed, which is so trash it got you to platinum instead of 2 of your "favorite champions") But you'd rather whine about what you like and your opinion on Zed instead of providing counterarguments.

Low elo is where half the people are (and I'm talking about bronze and silver) if we include middle elo (gold and plat)- this makes up over 95% of players. Why wouldn't LoL be balanced around over 95% of players?

Oh but it's not balanced around Diamond because some champions are constantly abused there are well (like Lee, Yasuo, Tresh, Irelia, Kindred recently...) What is League balanced around? 1% in challanger and master?

Handin Out NapsNov 21, 20151 votes

Well with Ad itemization being changed and Zed recently getting nerfed, I have to try out the new build/ get used to the laggy feeling. Ap Itemization is still the same I have no reason to play them currently .Also plat 5 0 lp is top 10%, gold is like top 40%, that's all I had to say :D.

EtaneyNov 21, 20151 votes

You are focusing only on Zed again instead of my main point- being manaless champs having unfair advantage.

Also- Zed isn't nerfed, he got a bug fix.- is there one thing you say that is not a total lie/bullshit? And gold V 0 lp is 35% (another easily checkable fact you mess up)- it also links to nothing I said. It's only purpose is you sucking your own dick.

DynamiteGazelleOct 28, 20156 votes

Yeah my Yorick game is screwed. I usually start with at least 2 or 3 mana potions. I don't think increased regen will be able to match that kind of mana sustain.