Veigar see's competitve play as a mid laner-

ApexInTheCircle··8 votes·562 views

For the first time in.....Fuck I can't even remember (not counting support Veigar)

And people lose their collective shit because he's blowing up squishy champs extremely fast? Shit, it's like it's his identity or something.

Yet Fiora Can nom your front line like they have 0 items and still 2 shot your squishies. I'm not seeing the consistency here.

Veigar pros and cons.

Pros -Super high burst. -Can farm for his ap -Reliable ultimate (I.E targeted) Burst. -Team fight potential is huge because of baby cage. -Can easily build tear because of his farm mechanic. -E is a great zoning tool. -His pure presence causes anxiety in mid laners (good, you should tremble in his presence)

Cons. -0 mobility -Will mana starve in lane farming. -Choreographs his intentions blatantly -QSS Or Banshees makes him cry. -Assassins have a field day with him. -Ult is single target (He's a burst and gtfo champion) -His stun is his only disengage. -Feast or Famine champion (this is not healthy for any champ period) -3 out of 4 skills are skillshots that can all be easily dodged. -His ult has a huge SFX that lets you know when to activate Zhonyas. -His Stun is not reliable. You literally have to face tank the damn thing in order to get nailed by it.

IMO <---- Note , that says my opinion. Veigar does need a shift in power. His W QoL buff is what we all wanted, it's what we all asked for. Yet we got non stop buff on his Q which made him above average after the QoL buff on his W and assist AP gain.

Veigar at his core is fine. Honestly just revert the Q buffs that he was given and remove the AP per assist and you're golden.

8 Comments

Hayaishi21 votes

Why compare him to Fiora? Fiora is not balanced either and people do QQ about her.

No amount of arguments can negate the fact Veigar lacks counterplay. He simply lacks it, and that's what people dislike about him.

Erockandroll2 votes

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Why compare him to Fiora? Fiora is not balanced either and people do QQ about her.

No amount of arguments can negate the fact Veigar lacks counterplay. He simply lacks it, and that's what people dislike about him.

The counter play is there, his problem is that he does too much damage. (probably in the sense that he scales way too fast)

His kit is fine, his scaling isn't.

Meserion1 votes

Easy fix to limit Veigar's powerspike: his Q can only gain get him bonus AP 1 from one enemy minion per cast. previously a veigar getting +100 AP from his Q farm was pretty good, but since the changes to his Q he can 200-250 AP easy which is a ton of extra damage on him. making it only 1 minion per Q will tone down his powerspike enough that will ease away from from his hyper-potent state.

ApexInTheCircle2 votes

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Easy fix to limit Veigar's powerspike: his Q can only gain get him bonus AP 1 from one enemy minion per cast. previously a veigar getting +100 AP from his Q farm was pretty good, but since the changes to his Q he can 200-250 AP easy which is a ton of extra damage on him. making it only 1 minion per Q will tone down his powerspike enough that will ease away from from his hyper-potent state.

In his defense, if they remove the ability to double stack his Q they have to re add the .2 scaling back on his ult.

Marthian1 votes

Veigar has never particularly cared about Banshee's. That's what he has allies for (and it's not like he can't just poke it off with Q then back off, wait, then try again.)

ApexInTheCircle1 votes

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Veigar has never particularly cared about Banshee's. That's what he has allies for (and it's not like he can't just poke it off with Q then back off, wait, then try again.)

Okay I'll give you that in the context of team fights. but whenever I mindlane against him as a mage I can literally zhonyas his ult every single time. 99.9% of the time veigar will drop his W on you first before he ults so by the time your unstunned you just mash your active and you've dodged his 2 large damage abilities.

Marthian1 votes

Zhonya helping against Veigar comes down to both players' skill.

Also W's delay is shorter than E's stun duration (and most good Veigars will max E second)

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