Feels fucking awful to attempt to tower diver her, feels fucking awful to be tower dove by her and it feels fucking awful to attempt to gank her. Once again Certainly T you've made a mechanic that is fucking awful for the person playing against it, bravo.
haaaaaaalp43 votesGive it time, she is going to start getting perma banned at every elo once players learn how to play her and you won't have to deal with her until riot guts her numbers.
ApexInTheCircle48 votesGive it time, she is going to start getting perma banned at every elo once players learn how to play her and you won't have to deal with her until riot guts her numbers.
It's honestly not about her numbers but about another skill that is on a champion that makes their kit inherently broken. She will never be balanced as long as her shroud remains the way it is. She'll either be complete trash or broken top pick.
haaaaaaalp13 votesIt's honestly not about her numbers but about another skill that is on a champion that makes their kit inherently broken. She will never be balanced as long as her shroud remains the way it is. She'll either be complete trash or broken top pick.
Yeah, it seems like everyone besides the one person on riot in charge of redesigning her saw that coming. Riot is just leaving her numbers high now because people don't know how to play her but they will eventually have to gut her numbers so she can be reworked again.
ApexInTheCircle4 votesYeah, it seems like everyone besides the one person on riot in charge of redesigning her saw that coming. Riot is just leaving her numbers high now because people don't know how to play her but they will eventually have to gut her numbers so she can be reworked again.
What a sad state of affairs my man :-\
WoΘxer5 votesYeah, it seems like everyone besides the one person on riot in charge of redesigning her saw that coming. Riot is just leaving her numbers high now because people don't know how to play her but they will eventually have to gut her numbers so she can be reworked again.
Whats the point behind this?
Lol they learn the champion then reworking it again.
ApexInTheCircle12 votesWhats the point behind this?
Lol they learn the champion then reworking it again.
Imagine how Ryze mains must feel.
Z3Sleeper2 votesHonestly until the new E came about nothing really changed mechanically other than build paths and skill max orders.
Z3Sleeper2 votesUnless those numbers involve shroud duration numbers :)
Honestly there's no reason it should last more than 3 seconds imo. 8-10 is extreme overkill.
Add921 votesNumbers arent the problem . the problem is that her shroud hides her from turret aggro . and that's bullshit
AMADEUSdotEXE2 votesNumbers arent the problem . the problem is that her shroud hides her from turret aggro . and that's bullshit
Even if that is the issue (which it is) riot is going to nerf/buff every other part of her before realizing that her diving people for free is the problem. I'd prefer the resistances back.
ChasmOfTrossm30 votesAh the boards. I made a topic saying the same thing and got downvoted to oblivion on the basis that I fed her. WELL NO SHIT, SHERLOCK, I CAN'T FIGHT SOMETHING I CAN'T SEE, TARGET, OR AUTOATTACK.
I have to get lucky and hope one of my placement abilities smacks her inside her shroud.
I'm not saying Akali is unbeatable, but that shroud makes her an absolute headache to try and play against, which honestly wouldn't be so bad if it didn't last ten goddamn seconds. Like, what kind of an assassin. Scratch that, what GOOD assassin needs an ability that lets them remain unseen unless under your turret, untargetable, and unautoattackable for a full ten seconds?
Only the Akali mains abusing this bullshit skill will defend that ability.
Oleandervine26 votesHer shroud granting her stealth isn't an issue. It's been that way with old Akali, and other champions like Teemo and Vayne can perform similar stealth feats. It's not like the shroud moves, so you can steer clear of it to evade her, just like how you need to steer clear of Illaoi if she's entrenched herself in a hentai swarm.
What I have beef with is the shit where enemy turrets can't see into it and shoot her. That's bullshit.
Verxint16 votesNothing can reveal her, that's the issue. Some champs have abilities that reveal their targets but they don't work on akali.
Oleandervine4 votesWell, I wasn't aware of that. But in that case, True Sight, no matter where it comes from (Turret, Cupcake, Flower) should override her shroud's stealth.
OMGSoAnnoying9 votesThat is the issue. Her stealth even beats True Sight.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesYes her shroud is the problem. You don't have any counterplay. She cn sit there and hel up, get her cooldowns back etc.
Oleandervine3 votesThe shroud itself is not the problem. Get that straight. It's no different than Zed or Talon dashing away or hopping over a wall to hide from you while they wait on cooldowns to reset. The difference here is that you absolutely know what part of the map she's in and will be in when it gives up. The shroud is not the problem. The bullshit way it was coded to override every form of true vision IS the problem.
Saianna25 votesRiots most likely fix for this:
Kazoozo1 votesI heard riot is looking to hire more balance team members would you like to join xD [sg-miss-fortune]
Saianna7 votesI tried to, but they told me my ideas are bit too weak for what's expected for the job. They prefer full blown tards instead :/
Starcraft243ver3 votesSo the ability still doesnt deal damages ? Doesnt look like riot's way of balancing things.
kneel on Ice8 votesConfirmed by pro play 
is your solution
As a main i never lost against an akali , but i dont know about those who never play her , may need some training
Thbigchief5 votes[{quoted}](name=kneel on Ice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYETKJtk,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-09-27T19:47:18.897+0000)
Confirmed by pro play
As a main i never lost against an akali , but i dont know about those who never play her , may need some training
kneel on Ice5 votesWell i dont usually analyze abilities , but what i noticed from playing against so many akalis latelty , is that the Q poke in early counters akali Q passive , akali's w is also useless cause u can w or Self R with Lissandra and it would touch her , and her E is also useless with W Q and E escape from Lissandra
Her tower dive is also countered with liss Self R (even though akali W has more time , so liss player have to be smart and W track akali a bit then self R , or you can always ulti her when she gets visible and escape with E)
Basically most of akali tricks are countered here , but most importantly i usually end with more cs than any akali so its another advantage
Edit : for those who want to try Lissandra vs akali , the key for playing lissandra is not to waste W E or R , meaning you mustn't farm with them , only use aa or q for farm, + you need your _**40 cd reduction **_with your 3rd item especially against assasins and tanks )
yay nibbers8 votesFeels fucking awful to attempt to tower diver her, feels fucking awful to be tower dove by her and it feels fucking awful to attempt to gank her.
You could say this about a lot of champs though, especially assassins. Talon, Zed, Leblanc, Fizz, Vladimir, Nasus, Mundo, etc the list goes on. Some champions are just more dangerous that others under towers. Don't stay when you're low and don't dive unless you know you can get away with it (i.e. wait for Akali to use her shroud or just don't dive if she has it up). This is pretty basic stuff here.
Hammermancer7 votesI know how to fight her
AMADEUSdotEXE5 votesIf you actually main viegar get better at zoning her, He's a good counter pick to her and is guaranteed to slam her late game assuming your positioning is half decent. I've been spamming her and I loathe that lane because Vie can play safely pretty easily, punish her, and get some stacks. Especially with jg pressure. You basically just beat her after a good 10-20 minutes.
Dr Birdie3 votesAs someone who ADORES Veigar and has played a lot of old and new Akali, you are absolutely correct. I used to hate it any time I picked Veigar and then went up against an Akali, because I did the same thing whenever the enemy picked Veig.
With old Akali, it was go in, wait for him to start casting his Dark Matter and Event Horizon, then you could just use the blink on Twilight Shroud to hop over the stun and all-in him after Dark Matter missed.
But now she doesn't have the blink anymore so she is basically forced to flash if you are at all decent with your E placements.
Sulghunter4 votesCertainlyT is to Riot as Matt Ward is to Gamesworkshop.
Rito Staff4 votesI am for 'coolness' first before 'balance'. This is why DotA has cooler feeling characters.
Mechanics have been rehashed since the beginning. People complain about it, how much can Riot do? I personally think it's a beautiful skill, fun to use (check history, I almost don't play Akali, but when I did I loved her). And you can counter it, there's plenty of AoE in this game that still hits her in the shroud.
I do rather have champion diversity and uniqueness over balanced feel-same gray blobs.
I think the problem goes back to damage and how much you can do in the little time frame of mid lane engagements. In a game where you die in a few seconds, assassins in general are always binary.
Chillee4 votesBuT 
It 
Is
UnIqUe
And uniqe means balance, right?
Right guys?... Right?
woodvsmurph3 votesWhat needs to be done is to lengthen the time it takes for her to re-stealth after attacking while in shroud. Currently the time is too short to allow opponents who don't have extremely low ping to fight back/punish when she attacks from stealth. And due to the extremely long shroud duration, this basically is like giving akali an extended jax e during which no one can fight her.
I think this is a perfectly healthy alternative to the true sight/stealth thing because while it does allow a skilled akali to use this as a unique tower-diving tool, it also gives opponents the chance to cc her when she agro's them under tower and actually fight back. Otherwise all you need is sweeper or duskblade and akali can't even use her shroud vs you unless they're on cd right?
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesIf you have so high of a ping you can't hit Akali when she pops up you need to change servers or stop using a Pringles can for your router.
woodvsmurph1 votesOk... my bad. Clearly all the professionals on near-0-ping environment having their auto attacks canceled or targeted abilities stop casting mid-animation when akali hits them with a q and they try to retaliate need to just git gud and upgrade to lower ping.
I'm not one to call people out for rank and pull the "I'm higher rank than you, therefore I win argument card", but in this case... you are wrong. It might work at your elo where people use several abilities in a row to reveal themselves for extended duration... but in my elo and in pro play, people can toss out single abilities at a time on akali and literally deny any targeted retaliation damage due to how quickly she re-stealths.
Sergeant HbA1c1 votesOk... my bad. Clearly all the professionals on near-0-ping environment having their auto attacks canceled or targeted abilities stop casting mid-animation when akali hits them with a q and they try to retaliate need to just git gud and upgrade to lower ping.
I'm not one to call people out for rank and pull the "I'm higher rank than you, therefore I win argument card", but in this case... you are wrong. It might work at your elo where people use several abilities in a row to reveal themselves for extended duration... but in my elo and in pro play, people can toss out single abilities at a time on akali and literally deny any targeted retaliation damage due to how quickly she re-stealths.
This. Akali can harass most champions with relative ease. For those of you who haven't dealt with a plat+ level Akali, the rotation goes something like this: Shroud, ability, invis, aa, invis, ability, aa... you get the idea.
It doesn't help that the average non-autoattack-reliant champion has poor attack speed. Considering that the reveal is only .65 seconds, by sheer virtue of numbers and mathematics, most champions (not players) are unable to trade during the early stages of the game. That, however, is all a semi-competent Akali needs to rack up kills. That's when you know something is inherently broken - when an aspect of the champions kit not only allows, but encourages you to neglect strategy.
Saitho Orihara3 votesIt's legit the new Windwall and I'm talking about the community, not Akali. It's super easy to play against her once you get her gimmick patterns.
The way her kit is design allows her to only play in a few ways with still place for certain difference, but her pattern is the same : In and Out until either you die, they die or you need to retreat.
This is the beauty of her design and on a worse scale Yasuo (To clarify : Yasuo Kit also as a certain pattern of action that makes him also bad against people who understands does pattern. The problem is, the player is free to ignore these patterns because of a lot of factor) , she got a certain pattern of actions she NEEDS to follow, she can adjust around it but her kit FORCES her to act like that, once you understand the variant and ways she does things, it's just becomes a skill matchup, unless you're an ADC, her shroud means nothing, just use AOE abilities, corner her, force her to come out to get a clear shot. If you only play single target point and click assassin mid against her, of course she'll beat you.
Just learn, days goes by and we see her winrate slowly, very slowly, drop and drop because people understand more and more those "patterns".
3TWarrior1 votesyou realize you just gave the worst possible example. Even if you can learn yasuo's ins and outs, he is super frustrating to play against if you are in any way ranged and use projectiles
Dr Birdie3 votesI have played many games as Veigar and Jhin mid against Yasuo and still stomped lane. Had one last night in fact. You just have to learn how to bait abilities out. You have to play smart instead of just all-inning the second you get to lane.
Elemental Lux3 votesMake sure to dive her while its off CD.
Ionian Vulpix2 votesI don't know how good or bad she is. She doesn't feel like she's too strong or even like she has too much in her kit (Like Yasuo, another notable champion). It's just obnoxious to deal with. You have so few options to deal with it. I don't think Akali is OP or broken; her Q, E, and even R are pretty fine. But Shroud is just so unfun to play against.
Shiznyte3 votesWait until she gets a slight lead, kills carries in 2-3 hits, with extreme mobility on top of the fact you can't see or Target her haha. It's pretty toxic to play vs a decent akali she is just still new so not everyone has learned her kit
ChuShoe2 votesFeels fucking awful to attempt to tower diver her, feels fucking awful to be tower dove by her and it feels fucking awful to attempt to gank her. Once again Certainly T you've made a mechanic that is fucking awful for the person playing against it, bravo.
Is CertainlyT the one behind the akali rework?
Add922 votesyes
Ranmaru2 votescould not tower dive old akali if anything its better, She moves slower and is limited to inside the ring gets a brand w and shes MuRkEd
JohnnyNeverSins2 votesYou could just say and be done with it "feels fucking awful to fucking fight her in general." Piece of shit overpowered champion, CertainlyTs champions are the cancer of the game,they are fun to play but so fucking unfun to play against...
MLDzXnRRR2 votesPoppy destroys her completely, I haven't seen so one-sided matchup in league. Not fun for the Akali player; probably some other tanks do it too- Orn; Mao; hm, who else is played top still? - Sion? - he is kinda slow and can maybe die early; Galio - getting rekt by someone that is building full tank, just play a tank mid.
Elipo2 votesI swear certainlyt must have strong conections at riot if he pulls crap after crap and he still works there.
MarkedOfKane2 votesJust give her a full rework by someone else.
Grace1 votesYeah it really is the most tilting thing to play against. It's just blatantly broken and unfair, whenever I see a clip of Akali tower diving with shroud it just makes me question how that mechanic is even in the game.
Even if you manage to shut down Akali the shroud is still the most annoying thing to deal with. You can be one ability away from killing her in a skirmish then she'll just throw down the shroud and disappear, then you just look and feel like an ape for having no counter to an un-counterable ability.
Dr Birdie3 votes"Uncounterable ability."
Use literally any AOE ability.