why does Vayne do the exact same damage as draven when she's shit early.

spank me lee·Oct 25, 2015·1 votes·1,247 views

Every spectate that has vayne she has positive KDA,

16 Comments

Cosmic CocaineOct 25, 20151 votes

You sit on a throne of lies.

kappa

spank me leeOct 25, 20151 votes

how is it a lie. Im seeing it right now before my eyes

Cosmic CocaineOct 25, 20151 votes

If I had a dollar for every time I saw a guy autolock Vayne then be a toxic piece of shit and go 0/7 to lose us the game, then I'd be a millionaire. You sir, just seem to not know how to beat a decent Vayne player.

MarthianOct 25, 20151 votes

Because contrary to popular belief, Vayne simply does NOT have a crap early game anymore. BoRK has basically fixed her early game issues (and she gets a better power spike from finishing BoRK than carries finishing IE, and she gets more benefits from it: Sustain, EXTREMELY FORGIVING build path, and a solid active.) (Edit: next part is basically rant.) She's just as capable (if not more than the average adc) of getting kills pre-6: passable damage, outspeeds every carry with passive speed boost and tumble (Kalista and Sivir excluded, and they have to stop to hit something in order to get their speed boost. Vayne just has to be moving/chasing towards you.) And if she can't, she's very safe: Tumble to avoid skillshots, and condemn to knock back threats (sometimes to turn around and kill). Her ult is also overloaded as well.

AgilsanOct 25, 20151 votes

This is a very vague question. Draven hits hard, Vayne hits hard. Why? Because that's how their kit is made. Although I find Vayne much much better than Draven because of her mobility and stealth. She could ruin a Draven 1v1 if that were to happen.

spank me leeOct 25, 20152 votes

but draven is supposed to be early game. and vayne is late. wheres the balance here?

AgilsanOct 25, 20151 votes

Draven's damage is restricted by "can he catch his axes" which can often lead to be caught by the enemy in various situations. Vayne's damage isn't limited at all, she will always do the same damage no matter the circumstances. Draven has a rule to follow to keep his damage, Vayne doesn't. That's where I would see the 'balance' you are looking for.

spank me leeOct 25, 20151 votes

oh, thats kinda sad. Draven actually has to use skill and vayne just right clicks.

AgilsanOct 25, 20151 votes

Yeah, the only disadvantage vayne has (which i rarely see as a problem) is her short auto attack range.

EndlessSorcererOct 25, 20151 votes

Vayne doesn't have a short autoattack range (550 is average/standard). What she lacks is waveclear and any form of ranged poke.

ZephyrDrakeOct 25, 20151 votes

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Vayne doesn't have a short autoattack range (550 is average/standard). What she lacks is waveclear and any form of ranged poke.

aka she is SHORT RANGED!

EndlessSorcererOct 25, 20151 votes

Yeah, the only disadvantage vayne has (which i rarely see as a problem) is her short auto attack range.

They claimed that she had a short "autoattack range", which is untrue. I was correcting them on why Vayne is considered short ranged.

ZephyrDrakeOct 25, 20151 votes

Vayne hits just as hard as a Draven? that must be a terrible Draven is he is letting a Vayne outdamage him early

DediguiseOct 25, 20151 votes

Draven is supposed to hit his powerspikes earlier than other champs because of his passive. As for basic trades as long as he two hits he without taking 3 back he will win every trade. she has a lower aa range and has to aa 3 times in a row to do relevant damage.

Akali is SO HOTOct 25, 20151 votes

Are you high

KiIIJoyOct 26, 20151 votes

Draven with axes deals more damage than vayne does in a straight up 1v1 battle.

Late game shes a monster, and essentially the enermy team either has to peel for draven or have an all in on vayne (vi, malph, ect.). anyone that can stick to her.

I play her a bunch and think her early game is a bit strong for the type of late game power she provides. Shes a mobile tank shredding adc. Draven is a nuke you in 2 hits adc.

I personally feel that draven deals more than her with axes, yes he doesnt have a %max hp shred, but he can nuke squishies faster than her.

The best way to fight her in lane would be either a sustain supp(soraka,sona, nami) or a kill lane. Draven/Caitlyn/Naut/Leona.

Basically you have to work your comp/choice around beating her. Best idea would be point and click cc. Naut, Vi, Skarner ect. Perferabbly Naut and Vi since its range d and she can kite skarner back. Then work your team around the point and click champion(s). Example- (top lane-bot lane order) Irelia, Vi, Swain, Cait, Naut?

I dont really know what they could do to change her, her condemn is easy to land in low elo but the higher you get the smarter people play(generally) her W is her biggest issue but if they change it too much she loses her identity as a tank shredder. Her ult is a little overloaded but they could move part of it over to another ability. Perhaps reducing the bonus flat dmg that her W does. reducing the ult so her follow speed is double instead of triple. Im not sure.