The meta as I know it summed up.

HongChongDong·Oct 20, 2017·9 votes·514 views

Assassins get shit on by champions classes they're supposed to counter then get called broken for actually killing someone.

People only play 3 jungle champions.

Supports are capable of granting thousands of effective Health to several targets at once or can choose to pick someone that they really don't want dead.

ADC's can go mid with ignite, walk at people early game, then just rush a late game anti tank item and an item designed for juggernauts or even buy items for assassins and then proceed to "outskill" everyone.

Assassins get called broken for killing people in a full rotation but mages killing people with 2 basic abilities or even by only pressing R is perfectly acceptable game balance.

14 Comments

dunder killOct 20, 20173 votes

Assassins don't lose to ADCs 1v1

punkinphilOct 20, 20172 votes

Ardent forces Supports to never leave their ADCs. What 1v1 u talking about?

dunder killOct 20, 20172 votes

Well that's a different story entirely. This thread doesn't say "assassins get shit on by ADC + support" however

HongChongDongOct 20, 20171 votes

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Assassins don't lose to ADCs 1v1

Well if it's late game and depending on the ADC then yes they do. If you're playing ashe? You're dead. If you're playing Lucian? You have more than enough mobility for an outplay which on assassins like fizz only means dodging the R which just about anyone can do.

PePsiLemoNNOct 20, 20173 votes

Sigh

Assassins get shit on by champions classes they're supposed to counter then get called broken for actually killing someone.

Replay of an equal level ADC 1v1'ing you as an assassin?

People only play 3 jungle champions.

Um.. no?

ADC's can go mid with ignite, walk at people early game, then just rush a late game anti tank item and an item designed for juggernauts or even buy items for assassins and then proceed to "outskill" everyone.

You mean 45% winrate Lucian mid?

HongChongDongOct 20, 20172 votes

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Sigh

Replay of an equal level ADC 1v1'ing you as an assassin?

Um.. no?

You mean 45% winrate Lucian mid?

There's plenty of videos of it happening in all elo levels.

Um... yes?

You mean the fact that an ADC can go mid in the first place? An ADC can abuse stupid itemization to actually beat people mid?

PePsiLemoNNOct 20, 20173 votes

So it's not hard to link a video right? :^)

Literally only ADC that goes mid is Lucian and he has 45% winrate

PennsOct 20, 20171 votes

But seriously, Id like to know what Riot thinks assassins are supposed to do in a game. Because why does reducing their melee burst make sense while burst mages, random champs like Kennen, AP Teemo, crit adcs, some fighters with lethality like Riven and Wukong,... still oneshot instantly.

Idk, is mobility that unhealthy or unfun? lul

SujirenOct 20, 20171 votes

I think the idea behind assasin update was to make them more interactive, instead of I press all my buttons and you die, and they used Zed as an example, who has long been considered as one of the healthier assasins.

FireDrizzleOct 20, 20171 votes

Preseason will be assassin meta.

SasogwaOct 20, 20171 votes

Well the thing is with how strong supports and adc's are, assassins can't kill them reliably without themselves being overpowered. If an assassin shits on adc + support, then he also shits on a bruiser while he's not supposed to

HongChongDongOct 20, 20171 votes

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Well the thing is with how strong supports and adc's are, assassins can't kill them reliably without themselves being overpowered. If an assassin shits on adc + support, then he also shits on a bruiser while he's not supposed to

Depends on what you mean by bruisers. One of the major issues with the meta is that people who aren't even supposed to be bruiser-ish build defensive items and become bruisers themselves while still outputting too much damage. Riven is a perfect example of this.

SasogwaOct 20, 20171 votes

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Depends on what you mean by bruisers. One of the major issues with the meta is that people who aren't even supposed to be bruiser-ish build defensive items and become bruisers themselves while still outputting too much damage. Riven is a perfect example of this.

Well I kinda consider Fiora, Riven and the likes bruisers as well. They build a bit tanky and damage as well so they have a great balance for duelling. Those guys are supposed to beat assassins because the tankiness they build is supposed to prevent assassins from bursting them down. The thing is, with windspeakers; shields and everything, an adc is even tankier than that, meaning if he still gets os'ed by an assassin, an assassin would os a bruiser, rendering the concept of bruiser useless.

Elkington VIOct 20, 20171 votes

Masteries are a big part of the problem. Most bruisers simply cannot scale into late game unless they can live long enough to deal their damage, and for that the defense tree needs to scale just as well as the offensive tree. The %based scaling should be at least equal in both, partly to make up for defensive itemization getting heavily outscaled by offense.

Bruisers will always struggle without %damage reduction from masteries, since defensive itemization alone does little for them past mid game.