Game mode: Opposite day, AP and AD item reversal through adaptive stats (maybe next april fools),

Hammermancer··21 votes·11,836 views

So the following stats could be reversed

AP and AD, by the adaptive force system

Mpen and Lethality

% pen

MR and Armor swapped

All things that would deal physical deal magic, and reversed

Examples

item 3071 400 hp 67 AP 20% cdr Dealing Magic damage to an enemy cleaves them reducing their magic resist by 4 % stacking up to 6 times Dealing magic damage to an enemy increases movement speed

item 3152 48 AD instead of 80 AP Active scales with AD and deals physical damage

This could be fun

maybe do some things with spell damage vs auto attack damage for triggers? item 3091

MR swapped to Armor Instead of On hit, it'd be spells deal

item 3075 Armor swapped to MR

instead of on being hit with autos, it'd be on being hit by ailities

40 Comments

iPooUnicorns10 votes

Jhin item 3089

Hammermancer9 votes
DarkTree11 votes

{quoted}

Jhin item 3089 item 3089 item 3089 item 3089

more

Alzon2 votes

No, Four is perfect.

hrooza dota 9 votes

hp and mana swapped .

go full nuts or go home.

Hammermancer6 votes

HP and Mana... ARE THE SAME STAT

hrooza dota 2 votes

what?

Hammermancer5 votes

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what?

my aids brain says

lets make everyone a health caster

hrooza dota 1 votes

leave that for another mode.

this should be swap only mode

TheSingularity1 votes

Mana champs get energy energy champs get mana

Alzon3 votes

Yasuo first item tear

Sir Saltarin6 votes

Ahri ADC finally

Glaricion1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t0iYhuyt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-04T15:19:08.915+0000)

Ahri ADC finally again

Back when AD ratios were rare, how I miss fluffy tail ADC

[sg-soraka]

Irelia Bot1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t0iYhuyt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-04T15:19:08.915+0000)

Ahri ADC finally

People do ADC Ahri anyways and it isn't super bad since she has decent positioning and CC from charm.

Meteora7074 votes

so basically a game mode where only AP champions can be played?

Mogarl1 votes

I was going to disagree but then I saw that they were converting ap and ad to their gold equivalents. Otherwise I think ad assassins would be the strongest if they were really just switched just because they could get a good 100-200 more adaptive power.

Z3Sleeper2 votes

Idk man. AD would be pretty nutty too.

AD casters with Ludens + Rabadons 40% AD increase AND Spellbinder.

ADCs with Nashors giving +15% AD on-hit plus Rageblade + Rabadons.

It seems fairly balanced in a everyone is broken way.

Meteora7071 votes

mages with 57 mpen and 35% mpen? yeah no mages dealing true damage would beat everything else

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Those items offer 0 mana though. I can see Duskblade being obnoxiously strong if that's on abilities as well though.

Most likely mages would be rushing Manamune for the on-hit proc + mana.

Also they no longer boost their AP by 40% upon Rabadon's completion.

Wonder how crit works.

Meteora7072 votes

eh mana issues aren't really a thing past early game anymore anways plus once you get touched by something like 60 mpen brand you're just dead, sure rabadons n shit is nice for AD champs but you can't buy IE on em and can't get both crit + ad from any item so the only AD champs played would be stuff like bruisers and assassins.

MordridtheBlack3 votes

I don't think this could be done

at least not without having to manually change every ad item to ap, and every ap item to ad

the other issue would be things that have no alternative, like attack speed. what does that get changed into

cc reduction?

cooldown items?

there are too many unknowns for this to be a game mode, even in a hypothetical situation

Hammermancer1 votes

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I don't think this could be done

at least not without having to manually change every ad item to ap, and every ap item to ad

the other issue would be things that have no alternative, like attack speed. what does that get changed into

cc reduction?

could just stay the same? I mean tbh the only items with attack speed are crit items, nashors, wit's end, rageblade, triforce, and stormrazor... all of which would work fine being swapped from ad to ap or just wouldn't be affected

cooldown items?

there are too many unknowns for this to be a game mode, even in a hypothetical situation

it's no worse than urf

hell pop it on top of urf if you want to get crazy, throw in hexakill too on the blitz map and boom you got somethign really interesting even if just a mishmash of things

MordridtheBlack1 votes

urf is contained for what it changes though, which is pretty much just cdr and some other minor tweaks

what you are talking about is altering items at their core, and that is a lot of items to alter

and hexakill hasn't been seen in forever, I think they took it off the rotating game mode due to the problems they had getting it to work

True Garen5 votes

{quoted}

urf is contained for what it changes though, which is pretty much just cdr and some other minor tweaks

what you are talking about is altering items at their core, and that is a lot of items to alter

and hexakill hasn't been seen in forever, I think they took it off the rotating game mode due to the problems they had getting it to work

They're proposing altering two sets of stats. It might not need to be done on a manual lvl. Wherever we had AD before we now have adaptive AP. Wherever we had armor before, we now have MR. That's all. It might not require individual editing.

But... does that mean that we all start the game with Base AP? But... that's ok, because armor and MR have been reversed, too.

MetaSolaray3 votes

True damage heals the enemy? At last vayne is balanced.

Poop Jelly2 votes

Ranged is now super tanky but does little damage, melees do huge damage but more squishy? :D

LordGeovanni1 votes

tell that to item 3027 item 3157 item 3003 item 3102 I can be tanky and take your but like mages already do

Ahris2 votes

Imo crit chance should double mages damage if proced.

FSRER1 votes

Not such a bad idea but wrong category. Copy this thread to Creative corner and you will get more answers

GeminiRune1 votes

I can imagine this if it suddenly swapped mid game. Or even a mode where every few minutes would play a roulette effect. But that's getting a tad Nexus Blitzy.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

that seems to me like way too much effort for something that would be "fun" for maybe a few games

Zed genius1 votes

I was going to say, it shouldn't be on april fools but rather the day the episode got released, but after checking it that would cause some misunderstandings (it aired on 9/11/1999)

Critmaster Garen1 votes

Garen item 3116 item 3151

pray.

True Garen5 votes

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Garen item 3116 item 3151

pray.

Not so much... because that base AD is now base AP... ah... but his abilities now scale with AP... so it's ok.

LordGeovanni1 votes

the point was for items to change not champion scaling

True Garen5 votes

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the point was for items to change not champion scaling

How do you know what the point was restricted to?

LordGeovanni1 votes

Because i Read the Post and examples.

LordGeovanni1 votes

this does nothing if you arbitrarily raise and lower the stats for ap and ad.

Hammermancer1 votes

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this does nothing if you arbitrarily raise and lower the stats for ap and ad.

well not really

so like, it'd be more about the item passives, and the fact that ap bruisers would get a day :D

but honestly I think lots of useful data could be collected too with like, seeing what alternative item types would do. there is no AP black cleaver, there is no AD protobelt,

LordGeovanni1 votes

Taric Rakan as top lane fighter. item 3071 item 3004 item 3078 item 3001item 3111 item 3110 or item 3387

TahmKench item 3071 item 3091 item 3748 item 3006 item 3001 item 3056

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