@Meddler: Would lowering Zed's base HP regen be a lever to balance him with?

darkdill··8 votes·892 views

Zed's a real painintheass for the majority of mid-lane mana mages since he can simply outlast them, match their harassment, and force them to build Seeker's Armguard early (thus delaying their mana regeneration items). He's not unbeatable, but he's certainly oppressive enough.

Meanwhile, Katarina just got a nerf to her base health regeneration, such that poke damage will really stick to her now. Considering Zed is even more agile than Katarina, don't you think that nerfing Zed's health regeneration would be a reasonable way to balance out the playing field against him (if needed)?

Presently, Zed sits at 7.1 base health regeneration, which is fairly average. However, it is enough for him to last through some poke hits while he returns the harassment with Razor Shuriken, and because he uses Energy, he will not burnout like a Syndra would. Major annoyance.

IMO, reducing his health regeneration would be an okay way to nerf him without gimping any of his firepower or agility. It'd just make poke stick if he doesn't dodge it.

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Kitten of Evil3 votes

Why? He always rushes item 3144 anyway. A bit less HP regen isn't going to make him any less of a pain in the ass to lane against. His most obnoxious areas are:

  1. Untargetability/no ability to punish a misplayed ult.

  2. He is energy-based, so he doesn't have to manage resources (Zed mains, COME AT ME BRO. As long as his Q and E restore energy when they double-hit minions, he doesn't have to ever care about resources -- not to mention, his full QWE combo is 125 mana at level 18. Akali's is 160, Ken's is 170, Shen's is 210. Why? When his energy refund is SO easy to proc?)

  3. His passive works on minions, which makes last-hitting incredibly easy. HE DOES NOT NEED THIS. AD champs already have an easier time last-hitting than mages. His passive gives him +17 damage when trying to last-hit caster minions at level one and that number only goes up for melee minions and as the laning phase goes on.

darkdill1 votes

You still have to attack to lifesteal, during which an enemy could be pummeling you. And if you're continually lifestealing off minions, you're also pushing, which means more chance of being jungle-ganked.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

Zed attacks minions to last-hit them. Doing that doesn't even push the lane much, but gives him natural sustain with one item that he always rushes anyway.

darkdill1 votes

He's not lifestealing that much if he's only last-hitting. If you really batter him, he's gotta hit those minions a lot more to actually restore anything substantial.

Errastas1 votes

I don't think anyone knows how to counter pick these days.

WukongMain1 votes

what if instead of making the reduction in hp regen permanent, what if upon taking damage hes hp regen/defensive stats?? are heavily reduced? he is a ninja of course, wouldn't it make sense that upon taking damage he becomes less of a threat?

Umbral Light1 votes

So what you're saying is have all ninjas should ave their stats heavily reduced when taking hits including someone like Shen who is a tank?

WukongMain3 votes

well no...but Zed has insane mobility that Shen does not. Shen's the type of ninja that enjoys not jumping around 50 times in 2 seconds lol (obviously exaggerated) why not make it extra rewarding when he uses hes mobility unwisely?

idk, i'm just tossing idea's around :)

Umbral Light1 votes

Lol I know (I'm actually a Zed user myself). I do see how that would definitely stop people complaining about Zed, one of the things I used to think (before the new patch making tank even stronger) was lowering the W's bonus AD scaling and the Q's damage in early levels. At least I'm not like my friend who thinks Zed's ult actually needs a buff and make it true damage which in my opinion would make him too strong and make people rage even more And I do not want to see anything like that happen. Sure I wouldn't mind if that happened but that would be too much.

D1rtFarmer2 votes

some kids^^^

BluePolarizer1 votes

why add a special mechanism for only zed? why not just do it the easy way? -3 base armor/MR --3 HP/5.

WukongMain1 votes

listen to yourself... "why add a special mechanism for only zed" well dude, to make all the champions unique lmfao.

killd0zer1 votes

His Hp Regen is actually kinda high, at least the base value is. He normalizes to about average late game. Maybe reduce base value, and increase regen/level so it's about the same late game?

darkdill1 votes

Riot normally just nerfs the base and doesn't compensate for later so that Ravenous Hydra doesn't get a late-game benefit. It's probably what they'd do for Zed.

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