If and ADC just goes in and kill 2 assassins, there is something wrong. ADC and lifesteal always has been a problem because they get to the lifesteal multiplier called Crits. Assassins that have delayed burst don't have their damage respected and just get push aside by ADC like Lucian Twitch.
lettuceguy11 votes[deleted]
hhaavviikk43 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkmUS0bm1_M ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTAp91fSZnA&t=198s... yeah adc's need to learn to respect mid and assasin damage! Especially when they get one shot by them. Lifesteal gives adc's a way to outplay mid's with insane burst, instead of just dying instantly with not much counterplay other than the mid lane or assasin missing everything.
where's the problem? ADC's should get deleted like shown in that video, they buy 0 health items, they deserve to get deleted
TheHappyReaperz8 votesAnd if life-steal is such a problem for Assassins, they should just buy a Executioners, and stop complaining. If they don't buy any healing reduction items, they deserve to lose to an ADC.
Unvictus22 votesAP assassins exist too, but you clearly didn't consider that... and don't say buy a morello's.. its not nearly as effective as executioners due to its gated effect of the target needing to have less than 30% of their hp remaining.
TheHappyReaperz12 votes
Has CC so ADC can't lifesteal
Ult inflicts GW for 3 sec
Dunno, but from what I've seen Lb has no problems bursting squishies
Succubús GF11 votesLb literally has to hit chain to actually do anything, shes barely even an assassin anymore :/ Rip terror of blinksville
MunchCrunchLunch5 votes
ekko is one of the weakest assassin against ADCs because his burst is delayed and hes in auto attack range. wtf
Oelyk3 votesEkko mains will disagree.. It's so easy to hit his passive and with lichbane E it hits like a god damn truck.
Prospector Pete3 votesShhh...
MunchCrunchLunch1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lazy cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=styvPEdQ,comment-id=0000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-06-10T16:52:38.389+0000)
Ekko mains will disagree.. It's so easy to hit his passive and with lichbane E it hits like a god damn truck.
you don't even have any games on ekko.
you cannot go for an adc if you don't lane the stun. hell even then. as ekko I think its most optimal to go for the enemy mid or jungler.
Oelyk1 votesI don't, but I sure as hell have faced some.
ChaosThief1 votesEkko's CC consists of a slow, another slow, and a stun if you ambush or if the enemy is stupid. Slows won't save you from an ADC.
2Charmnot2Charm1 votes
Except for the fact all of her damage is in her passive and by the time you actually get it to proc the adc will auto attacked you 3-4 times which is enough to kill you when they have items.
Kaìju1 votesBut isn't it really easy to put someone below 30% when they don't buy any health or Tank items?
Unvictus3 votesNot when items like Phantom Dancer and Death's Dance exist
Bwuceleeroy1 votesHahahahaa, ok lets just stop the stupidity right here. First off, if an adc is fed enough to have the AS and LS to counter your burst as an assassin, you had no business messing with them on your own in the first place. Secondly, as an assassin, the prime component that makes your damage effective is the element of surprise, if you dont have that then in no world do you not die to the guy with the gun. But apparently you seem to think you should just be able to run up to an adc head on and kill them with no consequence or surprise..........lmao nope. And to act like assassins dont build LS is just wow
The real title should read "assassins should respect the damage of the guy with a gun and not let them see you coming"
Unvictus1 votes"Fed enough to have attack speed and life steal" lmao. You can get that with one damn item. You know.. the one that every adc is rushing right now. Blade of the ruined king I think it's called. Oh, and it also has a self peeling active. Assassins alone are supposed to be able to beat out an adc if they are allone and unprotected. But itemization as it is right now along with the lengthening of assassins burst have left adc's with the ability to lifesteal endlessly.
You're argument is full of incomplete information and scenarios. If an adc is fed and the assassin isn't then of course the adc will win. That's you assuming and putting words in my mouth. Clearly you were never tought never to assume. Adc's itemization right now gives them too many options to reduce an assassins burst or delay even more than it already is. And you clearly chose to ignore the existence of AP assassins in your argument... "to act like assassins don't build life steal" lolololol not every assassin builds AD.
Assassins do have to plan their moves out and be smart about when they go in. Thats a given. But once again you assumed that I think assassins should be able to just walk up to adc's and kill them with no consequences.
And don't even get me started on assassins in a team setting. I'll give credit where credit is due. Don't get me wrong. Assassins should be punished and the other team should get rewarded for properly protecting their adc. Despite this, there is just soooo much going against assassins right now. Adc itemization is anti burst, shielding and healing supports are meta, and support itemization is very anti assassin with all of the increase in shielding and healing as well as the existence of items like redemption.
Thefrostyviking1 voteswhere's the problem? ADC's should get deleted like shown in that video, they buy 0 health items, they deserve to get deleted
But if you do by health or survival item's you're considered trash as a ADC and will get reported.
Exception being GA, but only time you can build that is when fed and ahead because it's pointless otherwise if you're already behind.
Even with the support protecting marksmen still die, it's no wonder Lulu and Janna are considered the best supports, only they can keep their marksman alive.
zaire901 votesnah my friend builds spitit visage on vayne if the burst is getting out of hand from ap midlaners/supports
3TWarrior1 votes
or 
or 
(10% non-unique lifesteal!)
just as starters
then you can get into the other and arguably better items
Kaìju1 votesI have never seen an ADC besides Kog get wits end. Merc Scim I agree is totally fine, Maw is iffy since it requires getting bursted down but not dying.
3TWarrior1 voteshmm, maybe it's just not recommended enough?
though yeah, why go defense when the best defense is a good offense, right? XD
Thefrostyviking1 votesnah my friend builds spitit visage on vayne if the burst is getting out of hand from ap midlaners/supports
I play mid a lot.
Mainly malz and Syndra (did this before the reworks too).
And i can tell, such a small amount of MR won't help the marksman a lot from a full mage combo, but it can stop them from being killed by random skillshots in a teamfight, altho barely.
Syndra's ultimate alone with all the sphere's and full build deals over 2k damage.
500 to galio after his 50% magic damage reduction + standard build with a ton of mr.
Such a ultimate deals well over 1,5 k to a marksman or assassin even if they have magic resist, not to mention the rest of her abilities.
Malz just space aid´s everything to death, not even tanks are safe except Galio.
Shablagoo7 votesIf you have no mr or armor you should get bursted, adc's are point click dmg monsters with the only counterplay being kill them faster then they kill you oneshot is actually the only counter to adc when you think about it.
Erockandroll1 votesIf you have no mr or armor you should get bursted, adc's are point click dmg monsters with the only counterplay being kill them faster then they kill you oneshot is actually the only counter to adc when you think about it.
Looking at the LS items. (Assuming that LS doesn't really counter burst) I can only think of 3 items that would give an Assassin trouble. a) The BloodThirster, which offers an Over heal shield. increasing their effective health. b) Death's dance, which delays part of the damage dealt by 3 seconds. c) Maw, while not specifically an LS item, it grants LS from it's life grip passive. (Granted this is more against AP)
But to OP's point, getting hit by a huge crit. (Likely with IE) is going to provide a non trivial amount of healing in just one attack. Any delay in a combo could mean life or death.
Critmaster Garen3 votesLooking at the LS items. (Assuming that LS doesn't really counter burst) I can only think of 3 items that would give an Assassin trouble. a) The BloodThirster, which offers an Over heal shield. increasing their effective health. b) Death's dance, which delays part of the damage dealt by 3 seconds. c) Maw, while not specifically an LS item, it grants LS from it's life grip passive. (Granted this is more against AP)
But to OP's point, getting hit by a huge crit. (Likely with IE) is going to provide a non trivial amount of healing in just one attack. Any delay in a combo could mean life or death.
there is also ga, which is now an ad item, and phantom dancers add another 12% damage reduction.
theyve made adc way too burst resistant. the g.a. change honestly pisses me off the most. its a gigantic fuck you to everyone else. not only ahve they removed the item from the table for ap champions and a lot of fighters, but also given adc burst resistance on an offensive item, when theyre SUPPOSED to be susceptable to burst.
if they want this kind of protection, they should be forced to sacrifice raw damage like previously.
Troll for Trump16 votesThere's literally a post on the front page of Twitch being a godlike assassin, and an LCS match where Twitch was a better assassin than LB.
Mizaya2 votesThere's literally a post on the front page of Twitch being a godlike assassin, and an LCS match where Twitch was a better assassin than LB.
Oh great, do I really have to make a post now telling people to actually watch the damn replay rather than just blindly taking these people for their word?
Troll for Trump1 votesThey're just examples.
Twitch is currently a better assassin than most assassins, because he can burst more people quicker than assassins. He doesn't have as much of a get out of jail card, but that burst window needs to be lengthened.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesTwitch needs way more time to get to this point, though. Look at Talon for example. His early all in is really powerful, hence why he rakes in the most first bloods in the game by far.
For Twitch to reach assassin status, he needs a fair amount of items, otherwise he won't be able to assassinate anyone.
Troll for Trump1 votesTalon's early allins aren't powerful. His level two cheese is, but not his allins in general. His allins require you to be hit by his telegraphed W. Twitch made need more time to get to this point, but lategame, he's doing the exact same thing as rengar almost. Stealth, then instagib people.
If he's an assassin, he needs to be treated like the rest; late-game, he is not allowed to have that kind of burst in that little time.
SociopathFriend3 votesTo be fair, that same post has someone down near the bottom who points out the LB missed her kit and misplayed horribly both times that happened along with giving a play by play of what happened.
In contrast to the OP who just said, "Twitch killed Leblanc twice- OP!"
Troll for Trump4 votesI guess it's unfair to whoever dies first.
However, one of them is supposed to do that kind of damage in a short period. LB. (Maybe not, because she became a "kite mage" now?)
Twitch isn't. Or maybe he is. He's the assassin ADC, supposedly. If he is an assassin, he needs to be treated like the others and have his burst window reduced.
SociopathFriend1 votesThe person mentioned Twitch needing 7 AAs to kill her, I consider that perfectly fine for killing a squishy.
Troll for Trump1 votesYou shouldn't be measuring it in units of "AAs" but the time window it takes for the target(s) to die.
Also note, by definition, assassins are supposed to target one person at a time. Spray-and-pray seems to be the opposite of that.
ModAcademy Kayn10 votesAt the same time, if an ADC is able to outplay an assassin, 2 even, then they don't deserve to still insta-die.
Targon9 votesI think the problem is the huge gap between different types of champions' ability to burst down a squishies.
Most assassins are single target burst champions - and many of them have struggled this season for many reasons because their delayed burst can be countered by many things such as:
being very popular.
and other items getting bonus heal/shielding power like 
is more frequently picked.
became very popular after its buff, and 
became more viable after its buff.Meanwhile, there are burst mages like 
and maybe even 
who can usually burst down a squishy much faster because there's less of a delay with their combo, and they don't have to put themselves in as much danger.
If you're a 500AP or 350AD assassin who lands all your abilities on a squishy who has built practically no MR/AR and you don't get massive outplayed, then you should be able to kill that squishy... but if you're a 500AP burst mage that misses almost their entire combo then you should NOT be able to burst down a squishy. There's a lot of frustration for both assassins and ADCs.
Dusk Mane Rengar2 votesJust revert assassin update
DragonShea6 votesRespect power. Play smart. Don't be a Noob.
Nameless Drifter6 votesYour post is so vague, and you dont even explain the scenario you are complaining about in detail.
Either way, if a adc goes in and kill 2 assassins, in a straight 1vs2...the adc always dies unless the assassins are bad skillwise or the adc is completely fed and the assassin's are too behind and even so I dont think the adc can survive.
Now if you are saying in a real teamfight situation there are too many factors that you need to pay attention:
1- The Adc support; If its a Lulu, Soraka; Janna, etc...The truth is, it becomes very hard to kill the adc without a good initiation by your team;
2- Team comps; If they got a Galio, Ivern, Gragas, even a Elise or Lee that can peel for a adc, your assassins obviously will die doing no damage. You need to plan the teamfights and get picks, most importantly be smart. Split them, Catch one that was warding or wandering, etc...
3- Fed and feeding; If the enemy adc is fed and your assassin's are under leveled obviously they wont do much especially when the adc has someone that can peel for them.
4- Skillwise; I think this one is self explanatory;
5- How the game is going and how the communication of your team works; Objectives are important and there are ways to ambush people or make them come to you. If the bot lane has a big wave coming to their tier 2 tower, obviously they will have to send someone to kill that wave. Most of the time its the adc that goes to clear the wave, so this is a chance where you can kill him. Another one is bait Baron or Drake if you got the vision set up.
Conclusion: There are various ways to play around in League. I suggest you actually take time to improve your game knowledge instead of complaining in the forums where you wont get much out of it.
ROYALR3IGN5 votesUnpopular opinion here. I've been starting to pick up adc this season, and I'm gonna have to disagree with Op here. If you allow an adc to get so fed they can go in and fight a 2 v 1 vs assassins your team is the one who messed up. Or you simply misplayed terribly. Most adcs at the moment do not rush lifesteal with the exception of Draven, Lucian, and Twitch who go Deathdance on Draven, and BORTK on the latter 2. Bortk is not sufficient in terms of lifesteal to be able to outduel a single assassin's burst nevermind 2. Then for the rest of the adcs that go something along the lines of Ie or (BF sword into Attack speed/crit item, complete IE, then Armor pen and boots somewhere in between) don't even see lifesteal till the 4th item /5th if you include boots maybe because even then it might be a defensive item like hexdrinker, or Ga or something like that. That's maybe the 30 min mark unless you feed them like my grandmother would. All joking aside it really shouldn't be a problem until the late game, and you have plenty of time to shut them down beforehand. Also why would anyone pick 2 assassins on their team anyways? That in itself is already risky.
Cowseed4 votesThey still can. If the ADC is lifestealing back up to full health then I can think of three scenarios.
1 - You didn't perform your burst ritual properly (incorrectly comboing)
2 - They're fed and your not
3 - They cought you out
3.b - They have some form of cc or something that you didn't take into consideration (
RainbowIcee3 votesAlso i'd like to add there should be an item or mastery for assasins' to help them penetrate shields or just do extra damage to them to break them quicker. It is ridiculously easy to cock block an assasins' sacrificial burst just by popping shields into their target. What makes matters worse is that shields can be buffed but not countered. Sad times for assasin's that aren't fed or ahead.
BoilTheOil3 votesbehold 
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LordOfTheLeague3 votesyeah or maybe they should have some more utility and less damage so there is actually some gameplay when the assassin come in instead of I'm the assassin with 10 kills I roll my face on the keyboard and you are dead or I'm the marksmen with kills and lifesteal, I right click 3 times and you are dead while I sustain your damage.
SlampieceHawke3 votesAn adc cannot 1v1 an assassin with equal gold and skill. Whatever adc's have been outlifestealing and killing you were most likely ahead, str8 up dumpstered you with skill, or had their goonsquad rolling with em.
EddardStark841 votesAn adc cannot 1v1 an assassin with equal gold and skill. Whatever adc's have been outlifestealing and killing you were most likely ahead, str8 up dumpstered you with skill, or had their goonsquad rolling with em.
Hell most of the time you can't 1v1 an assassin (build/item/skill varies) even if they are behind. Unfortunate, a lot of Assassin players are just stuck in the past in regards to the interactions between the classes (and asassins as a whole). Assassins have counterplay now and Adc's actually have a chance to survive/win a 1v1 with them. That's a healthy interaction.. the one that these posts are vaguely pining for was not.
EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votesSounds like you played really badly tbh
I Sushi I2 votesThe mentality that assassins should ALWAYS be able to win against ADC's is naive and unbalanced... The point of League is that if you're a better player than the other person, you should be able to beat them. Period. There should never be a pick that says "If I pick this I make the other person useless".
