Oh look guys, J4 getting a nerf.

Silents429·2/17/2015, 11:51:39 PM·18 votes·4,147 views

Unofficial PBE Patch Notes for 2/17/2015

I know he does a lot of damage with few AD items, but he isn't the only champion like that in this game, and he isn't that hard to beat, dodging his narrow E+Q negates a ton of damage alone.

But why is taking away the armor from his E even happening? This doesn't do anything but make his already terrible first clear even worse. I have tried Jungling him this season twice and I still just barely clear. (Following all modern guides) Couldn't they have at least made his E give a nice 30% attack speed at max rank instead of the awkward 22%?

What is the actual purpose to this nerf?

I know I won't be the only one making a thread about this, but watch a thread come up and be highest upvoted that's just blaming LCS and Lee for it, and nothing else, Just whining and complaining.

86 Comments

Balderdash10002/17/2015, 11:56:41 PM28 votes

The reason for the nerf was that he was starting to challenge Lee Sin in LCS big plays. As soon as that happened we all knew he was slated for a nerf dude. The lesson to take from this is, don't fuck with the blind!

ProfDrDeath2/17/2015, 11:54:06 PM4 votes

To make his early jungle have a downside in exchange for his relatively fast (if unsustained) clearing and his very strong pre- and post-6 ganking. That is the actual purpose of this nerf.

Vertanium2/18/2015, 12:08:55 AM3 votes

Play Fiddle, Skarner, WW, Mundo, Aatrox and then with a straight face that J4 has a bad clear

IJN Taiyou2/18/2015, 12:08:08 AM2 votes

Riot nerfed him because he was too powerful. When a champion is 100% contest pick/ban, then they probably need nerfs.

mi ramfan2/18/2015, 2:08:27 AM2 votes

Given that J4 was actually measurably overpowered, I'm not surprised he's getting hit.

Kilane2/18/2015, 2:35:37 AM2 votes

He combos too well with Gnar and that's the only reason why he's picked so much in LCS.....still don't know why they don't nerf Gnar instead.

I'm waiting for the day Lee Sin can't jump on ward and Vi nerf on her click to win initiation.

Sinlaire2/18/2015, 4:05:30 AM2 votes

His kit was just a little too overloaded, and i actually called him losing his armor bonus on his banner a couple weeks ago. His passive gives him 10% armor pierce, he gets a free damage shield that rises based on nearby champions and also gets free attack speed and armor that not only goes to him but any ally close to the banner.

several damage amps with several damage negating bonuses along with a q+e knockup damage combo and the pit of doom ult gave him too much CC and duelist capability. his banner casting AoE buffs just gave him too much utility and capacity in every area. defence, damage, amps, cc, utility were all there. the best way to tone him down just a little was to make him just a little less safe and make it so his combo and ult provided more of his utility than just a random point and click steroid.