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Warwick nerfs went a tad overboard.

Silents429··8 votes·1,529 views

Now I want to keep this thread free of bias, and people who personally got tormented by the recent warwick.

But. As someone who has mained Warwick for a long time, I think the nerfs went a wee bit far.

The last 2 or 3 patches have made 3 changes to Warwick, They lowered the duration of his W, They increased the cooldown on his ult, and then they butchered the damage on his ult. There was no compensation buff anywhere, and they nerfed the item that made him a monster along with him.

I was playing the snowdown thingy the other night, first time in awhile I have played warwick, and my god, His ult at level one has a near 2 minute cooldown, with 150 damage. This is really weak, and if your going to argue a 1.8 second suppression is somehow worse then all the champions with longer stuns, fears, knock ups etc. That aren't there ults then you really need to broaden your vision.

I know the argument I get in return about Warwicks ult being easy to interupt is that it still does damage ever after he is stunned or silenced. (Personally when he gets stunned I never witness him still doing damage) Then this is a bug that riot could have fixed, that would have helped.

Now when I say warwicks ult is underpowered right now, I mean it. 2 of the best damage items on him, Blade of the ruin king and Witz end, don't even help his ult right now, I still can't do much damage to anyone, I can't pick anyone off, Warwick is a single target champion with no AOE damage, and is utterly useless without his ult, or constantly pressing W, Only that got nerfed too.

This all annoys me because I use to argue with people about warwick not being underpowered, but everytime a FF comes out they slaughter warwick for using the item better then everyone else. I know he is set for a rework and his kit being this way is why its difficult to balance him, but for the love of god stop saying he is balanced now, he is a underpowered wreck right now, that doesnt fit anywhere.

29 Comments

ImHerVoice4 votes

warwick isnt an issue. As I've said before. Old champions are as strong as the items they build. See jax/irelia. Hardly meta ATM yet above average only because of blade/trinity. If trinity never got sheen buff and blade never existed they'd be just as average as they were in season 1 when madreds bloodrazor was the percentage damage item (back before percentage damage was on every fucking champion)

Silents4291 votes

I know Warwick isn't the issue. But his antique kit is an issue, and why we have the problems we do have with him.

ImHerVoice2 votes

warwick was and has never been an issue. Riots inability to think through item changes is the issue. See ADC meta. See Every AP item/ADC item in the game being more gold efficent than tank items. see BT giving free barrier see heal having MS buff for adc's to outrun melees. etc etc etc. list goes on and on how bad the balancing is in this game. They never take a step back and take in the whole picture. Thent hey release a patch thats half assed and gut all the champions that are buffed by the patch. see the item that warwick was building because his ult applies on hit as it always has. I mean wits end warwick has been a thing since the beginning of time Yet they released feral flare awhile ago knowing full well it was like a warwick/yi item for sure on release. and low and behold there goes ww/yi getting higher play in solo queue. Same story with new jungle item for warwick. riot doesn't think they just act. it gets really old having such poor communication betweent he players and the game creators. I love this game but evenutally they're going to make a change that more than a small percentage of the community cares about. And then they're gonna lose a huge percentage of the playerbase.

Lumus Avatar3 votes

Now that Warwick is balanced around the jungle item, if he's ever built without that jungle item, he suffers noticeable penalties. It means that in modes where that item isn't available, like those on the Howling Abyss, he is considerably weaker than he is on the Rift and therefore weaker than other champs since his Rift power level was normalized to other champs.

Silents4291 votes

Exactly, I didn't even bring up trying him with the item, I am somewhat sure he is still a menace late game.

Williwaw872 votes

But LCS Big Playz...

I meant that's why they nerfed him - because he doesn't make them. People apparently don't seem to understand this. -_-

Junkο2 votes

Pressing R isn't LCS Big Plays lol

bigbeef69692 votes

I know how you feel man...

WW main since season 2.

I honestly believe WW did more damage with FF than devourer. His ulti was used to kill 1 valuable target during teamfights, then he would get kited to death, now ulti+Q+bork barely scratches 50% off anyone. The ULT CD killed it too, its the only thing he has going for him unless your team has alot of AA champs in teamfights.

Hes too reliant on your team to capitalize now to finish anyone off.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

he still seems to do just fine after the changes thou

also when you say that he had no compensation its quite weird because ww in the jungle always has ignite and a better feral flare to increase his dps

so pls dont make a thread saying that he go hit too hard and didnt get any compensation when you clearly hide it (from all the junglers ww benefited from the changes the most so his numbers got hit the hardest)

Silents4291 votes

How did he benefit? Because he has good sustain? You think because he can clear the jungle with near full health that means he is good?

He hardly benefited from the changes. Horrid clear speed, no early ganks, and by the time he is 6, he still can barely gank ever.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

not the changes to the camp but the itemization

as some guy in this thread said old style champs like ww are as powerfull as items they build and new jungle has stronger items (this is the benefit) resulting in stronger ww so his numbers got nerfed

Junkο1 votes

His ult at level one has a near 2 minute cooldown, with 150 damage.

Or you build a Botrk and it's suddenly more than 1/4 of tanks health

Silents4291 votes

Hmm. No. If you saw I mentioned having a Botrk and a Witz end with a level 2 ult, and it still hardly did anything, even to squishy adc's.

AtheosisX1 votes

There's something wrong with your game then. The damage nerf was minuscule compared to the damage those items add to his ult. With Devourer alone I've seen his ult taking half the life from an ADC.

Silents4291 votes

Okay that leads to him only getting a decent use out of just that item, they nerfed him around 1 item.

Seth Lightheart1 votes

No.... keep WW weak. He is a low skill champ with little to no counter play. Who even with a QSS still hurts you.

He is a baldly designed champ and should get a rework before anything.

Silents4291 votes

I agree he needs a rework, I don't agree he should be weak, I don't know how people can't counter play him, it seriously isn't difficult.

Seth Lightheart1 votes

How to you counter him? QSS will not work. The damage goes though. And he is tanky enough to not care about running though the back line to jump onto your carry. The only possible item is Banshee which has its issues.

Silents4291 votes

Banshee, Any blind, A fear, Knock up, Stuns, Clense, That one sword item has an active to stop it, a zhonya, Not terrible positioning.

Warwick is not tanky enough to tank an entire team unless he is fed off his ass, in which case not his fault he is fed.

AtheosisX1 votes

In the jungle he is still viable. Everywhere else he is shit. I guess it could be worse. He could be as bad as Evelynn.

Silents4291 votes

How is he viable? He has no AOE damage so his clear sucks, He can't gank until level 6, and thanks to the cooldown being nerfed, he can only gank like ever 2 minutes now. He is utterly shit now.

AtheosisX1 votes

He still has arguably the best sustain in a jungle where sustain is greatly increased in value for one. He can't gank until level 6 but early gankers are much weaker nowadays due to the difficulty of the jungle, and let's be clear his ganks are stronger than most junglers when he does gank. He's weaker no question, but he is still solid (though unexceptional) in the jungle.

Silents4291 votes

Sustain does not mean he can clear well, his ganks are worse, he can only gank every 2 minutes and like always if the ally laner doesnt help then the gank fails, because his ult does no damage now.

Firefang Warwick1 votes

The bug with the damage continuing after his ulti has been disrupted has been around for well over a year now. I've reported it a few times only to be ignored.

Honestly Riot had a ton of chances to see this coming. First with the BoRK buff in season 3 (and 4), followed by the Wit's End buff a few months after that and again when Feral Flare was added to the game. Warwick is only strong when his core items are because he is a very binary champion. He needs to be reworked already because lowering his numbers isn't a true fix it's a band-aid.

As already pointed out he is pretty much balanced around a single jungle item now. If it gets buffed he gets strong if it's nerfed he gets weaker. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being forced into this super tank item build to remain relevant as things get changed throughout next year.

He needs to be reworked really badly.

yacota1 votes

hes not balanced. and in fact hes still too strong. although not by much. hes still getting alot of play (when hes not banned) and still does the same job. the opposing team just actually has a chance now. and to be honest this is the exact same mistake they made earlier in the season with feral flare. riot needs to pay more attention to the development teams

Seth Lightheart1 votes

I think the bottom line is no amount of logic, or people telling you otherwise, you are going to think WW was fairly nerfed. Furthermore on the opposite side of the spectrum you are not going to convince Riot, or anyone else for that matter (who didn't play a bunch of WW in his previous state) were not justified.

He is a badly designed champion, with little to no counter play, and was insanely overpowered. One of his skills was a passive that had no activate, another was a team buff, and lastly he had a spamable Q that gave you insane amounts of sustain. He would ult onto a carry, instantly kill them and there was nothing that could be done about it. No stun or QSS would stop the damage.

Terff1 votes

See people complain about warwick, who can nuke 1 carry, while kat can shunpo into a group of people, ult and chunk EVERYONES health unless they have PERFECT reaction time with their stuns/etc. Even if you do manage to stun her, her ultimate still will manage to do enough damage to decently hurt your team. I find that to be more powerful than a single target nuke to kill squishies. An assassin's goal is to take down a carry, A CARRY, not a whole team, which is what I feel warwick does perfectly fine. I agree with you, that these nerfs pushed him a tad too far, but I also admit that his early ganks were slightly OP, being able to gank botlane and kill a carry early game nearly 75% of the time is very good and can put their botlane behind very far, I think he should have a better lategame ulti (lvl 2 ulti), while keeping his early game somewhat mellow.

DWT123451 votes

welp. he isint as bad in jung as many other jung champions. So hes as viable as naut is right now, idc, because im tired of him anyhow. I wanna see some new faces in the jung.

Silents4291 votes

I almost never see warwick, 1 full month of playing daily, and I might see warwick once or not at all.

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