Can we talk about Morgana's Shield??

Caretaker Jack·Jul 20, 2018·18 votes·8,009 views

Hey Riot,

Ya nerfed every supports shield and here comes morgana walking around with a cc immunity shield for what seems like 100 years.

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Attticus FinchJul 20, 201812 votes

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Shields were nerfed because they provided flat damage reduction. Black shield is useless against AD which makes it a situationally strong pick, versus normal shields that are universally useful in every scenario, even if they don't grant CC immunity.

RaijeJul 20, 20182 votes

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Shields were nerfed because they provided flat damage reduction. Black shield is useless against AD which makes it a situationally strong pick, versus normal shields that are universally useful in every scenario, even if they don't grant CC immunity.

But it's situationally strong against somewhere between 60-80% of champions in every game right? It's pretty rare that more than 2 champs on your team don't have abilities blocked by morg shield.

Caretaker JackJul 22, 20181 votes

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Shields were nerfed because they provided flat damage reduction. Black shield is useless against AD which makes it a situationally strong pick, versus normal shields that are universally useful in every scenario, even if they don't grant CC immunity.

But... CC is a necessity in universally every League game. -__-

destroyer22719Jul 20, 201811 votes

I highly agree They nerfed Orianna command:protect and yet, they didn't nerf Morgana black shield. "welcome to the league of wtf" - everone else but draven.

Morgana UltimaJul 20, 20189 votes

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Hey Riot,

Ya nerfed every supports shield and here comes morgana walking around with a cc immunity shield for what seems like 100 years.

I've mained Morgana for 8 years. The shield is not OP. Unfortunately a lot of bad players simply don't know how to play against it.

At level 1 the shield has a 23 second CD. So if your CC is reliable at all then blackshield is not dependable. You bait the shield and then blow her up.
The shield's magic damage reduction is actually ass, and she's basically hard countered by all burst AD assassins. (Btw that's the current meta). Using the shield to survive a massive magic damage attack simply doesn't work unless you maxed the shield or its super early game.
Instant cast CC hard counters black shield. Let's take alistar knock up for example. If alistar moves toward my ADC I could blackshield him. If I do then a good Alistar will not use his charge and wait until BS is on cooldown. Now my adc is defenseless. So pre-blackshielding only works against bad alistars. Instead, you will have to shield after the alistar dash and before the knock up. This means alistar still gets his initiation off.
Morgana somewhat counters slow high telegraphed CC such as Rakan dash, blitz hook, pyke hook. YOU MEAN THE TOP PICKS HAVE COUNTER PLAY EVERY 23 SECONDS? OH NO. Do you even understand how overpowered and disgusting Rakan and Pyke are as champions? Dash Dash Dash Dash Stealth Regend Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Charm Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash.

Truthfully, Morgana is a pretty middle of the road support. Her damage is mid/high for a support. Her CC is high for a support. Her lane sustain is terrible for a support. The only reason she's a competitive pick is because she saves people from brain dead double dive bot lane which is more of a product of the adc nerf than it is of Morgana's innate abilities.

Let's also not even get into how unreliable Morgana's Q really is. You will NEVER land a max range hit on this ability against an equally skilled opponent. It has the third slowest projectile speed in the game. If you let her walk up to you then she will hit it. Yes, let the champion with no mobility walk right up to you. That's something that happens often in high level play right?

The real benefit of Q is it is a dive-deterrent. People will think twice about going all in versus it. Oh, but if you miss it you're utterly, utterly fucked.

Let's not even get into how unrewarding Morgana is as a mid given she's a mage and not an enchanter.

My advice is just to practice more. I have about 5000 games played as Morgana over eight years. I've played it in every lane and against every match up. I could make list of how to counter play Morgana reliably as all 130 some champions.

RaijeJul 20, 20181 votes

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I've mained Morgana for 8 years. The shield is not OP. Unfortunately a lot of bad players simply don't know how to play against it.

At level 1 the shield has a 23 second CD. So if your CC is reliable at all then blackshield is not dependable. You bait the shield and then blow her up.

The shield's magic damage reduction is actually ass, and she's basically hard countered by all burst AD assassins. (Btw that's the current meta). Using the shield to survive a massive magic damage attack simply doesn't work unless you maxed the shield or its super early game.

Instant cast CC hard counters black shield. Let's take alistar knock up for example. If alistar moves toward my ADC I could blackshield him. If I do then a good Alistar will not use his charge and wait until BS is on cooldown. Now my adc is defenseless. So pre-blackshielding only works against bad alistars. Instead, you will have to shield after the alistar dash and before the knock up. This means alistar still gets his initiation off.

Morgana somewhat counters slow high telegraphed CC such as Rakan dash, blitz hook, pyke hook. YOU MEAN THE TOP PICKS HAVE COUNTER PLAY EVERY 23 SECONDS? OH NO. Do you even understand how overpowered and disgusting Rakan and Pyke are as champions? Dash Dash Dash Dash Stealth Regend Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Charm Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash.

Truthfully, Morgana is a pretty middle of the road support. Her damage is mid/high for a support. Her CC is high for a support. Her lane sustain is terrible for a support. The only reason she's a competitive pick is because she saves people from brain dead double dive bot lane which is more of a product of the adc nerf than it is of Morgana's innate abilities.

Let's also not even get into how unreliable Morgana's Q really is. You will NEVER land a max range hit on this ability against an equally skilled opponent. It has the third slowest projectile speed in the game. If you let her walk up to you then she will hit it. Yes, let the champion with no mobility walk right up to you. That's something that happens often in high level play right?

The real benefit of Q is it is a dive-deterrent. People will think twice about going all in versus it. Oh, but if you miss it you're utterly, utterly fucked.

Let's not even get into how unrewarding Morgana is as a mid given she's a mage and not an enchanter.

My advice is just to practice more. I have about 5000 games played as Morgana over eight years. I've played it in every lane and against every match up. I could make list of how to counter play Morgana reliably as all 130 some champions.

Let's see that list. The 23 second CD is for level 1 which I doubt is most people's problems with Morgana. The problem I have with her is how effective she is at the end game. If I'm trying to take out an adc as Vi it becomes basically impossible until the shield goes down. It's up 5 out of every 9 seconds with max CD at rank 5. Combine that with her Q and R it becomes absurdly hard to take down a strong adc without a concerted effort of a whole team. I'm not saying she's broken, but she is the support I am most worried about for about half my jungle picks.

Morgana UltimaJul 20, 20182 votes

Fair enough. At max rank it is about an 8 second CD with max CDR. However, it only targets one person. Meanwhile you have Taric ult......

The one place black shield becomes unfair is on somebody like master yi late game. In fact, I just played a match where the master yi and I could easily 2 v 5 because you just can't kill a master yi with BS.

My counter argument would be that perhaps Riot should balance the game so that one person isn't that absurdly, and utterly ridiculously powerful. The fact Master yi has the damage output to kill entire teams in under 15 seconds is the real issue.

Anyway, you can definitely still kill the enemy adc if they have a morgana. Morgana is helpless against the kings of balance known as Zed and Talon. Your adc will just get deleted regardless of any shield they have.

One final note about Morgana. This champion's win rate drops hard as fuck as the game goes on longer. https://champion.gg/champion/morgana/Support?

You're complaining about late game, but her late game win rate is sub 50%. You actually want to get to late game against her because her damage doesn't scale well into late. The fact you can't get into late game right now is once again Riot's fault. Maybe League games shouldn't be ending at 25 minutes on average in a game where for 8 years the average game length was 35 minutes.

CloudedLogicJul 20, 20181 votes

As far as laning goes, I am far more irritated by her pool. Her q is fairly easy to dodge if you keep moving, and her Q doesn't her E stop much of anything early game since I can usually bait it out, or if I am playing brand/veigar just push through it.

Late game I can't really talk about, I'd call it a victim of my elo, but Morgana players don't tend to use it all that well where I am at.

That being said my Morgana saved me from an ignite a while back with black shield, and Aery.

Caretaker JackJul 22, 20181 votes

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I've mained Morgana for 8 years. The shield is not OP. Unfortunately a lot of bad players simply don't know how to play against it.

At level 1 the shield has a 23 second CD. So if your CC is reliable at all then blackshield is not dependable. You bait the shield and then blow her up.

The shield's magic damage reduction is actually ass, and she's basically hard countered by all burst AD assassins. (Btw that's the current meta). Using the shield to survive a massive magic damage attack simply doesn't work unless you maxed the shield or its super early game.

Instant cast CC hard counters black shield. Let's take alistar knock up for example. If alistar moves toward my ADC I could blackshield him. If I do then a good Alistar will not use his charge and wait until BS is on cooldown. Now my adc is defenseless. So pre-blackshielding only works against bad alistars. Instead, you will have to shield after the alistar dash and before the knock up. This means alistar still gets his initiation off.

Morgana somewhat counters slow high telegraphed CC such as Rakan dash, blitz hook, pyke hook. YOU MEAN THE TOP PICKS HAVE COUNTER PLAY EVERY 23 SECONDS? OH NO. Do you even understand how overpowered and disgusting Rakan and Pyke are as champions? Dash Dash Dash Dash Stealth Regend Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Charm Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash.

Truthfully, Morgana is a pretty middle of the road support. Her damage is mid/high for a support. Her CC is high for a support. Her lane sustain is terrible for a support. The only reason she's a competitive pick is because she saves people from brain dead double dive bot lane which is more of a product of the adc nerf than it is of Morgana's innate abilities.

Let's also not even get into how unreliable Morgana's Q really is. You will NEVER land a max range hit on this ability against an equally skilled opponent. It has the third slowest projectile speed in the game. If you let her walk up to you then she will hit it. Yes, let the champion with no mobility walk right up to you. That's something that happens often in high level play right?

The real benefit of Q is it is a dive-deterrent. People will think twice about going all in versus it. Oh, but if you miss it you're utterly, utterly fucked.

Let's not even get into how unrewarding Morgana is as a mid given she's a mage and not an enchanter.

My advice is just to practice more. I have about 5000 games played as Morgana over eight years. I've played it in every lane and against every match up. I could make list of how to counter play Morgana reliably as all 130 some champions.

I feel you... And I have to admit, you may have changed my mind.

DameioNarutoAug 2, 20191 votes

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I've mained Morgana for 8 years. The shield is not OP. Unfortunately a lot of bad players simply don't know how to play against it.

At level 1 the shield has a 23 second CD. So if your CC is reliable at all then blackshield is not dependable. You bait the shield and then blow her up.

The shield's magic damage reduction is actually ass, and she's basically hard countered by all burst AD assassins. (Btw that's the current meta). Using the shield to survive a massive magic damage attack simply doesn't work unless you maxed the shield or its super early game.

Instant cast CC hard counters black shield. Let's take alistar knock up for example. If alistar moves toward my ADC I could blackshield him. If I do then a good Alistar will not use his charge and wait until BS is on cooldown. Now my adc is defenseless. So pre-blackshielding only works against bad alistars. Instead, you will have to shield after the alistar dash and before the knock up. This means alistar still gets his initiation off.

Morgana somewhat counters slow high telegraphed CC such as Rakan dash, blitz hook, pyke hook. YOU MEAN THE TOP PICKS HAVE COUNTER PLAY EVERY 23 SECONDS? OH NO. Do you even understand how overpowered and disgusting Rakan and Pyke are as champions? Dash Dash Dash Dash Stealth Regend Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Charm Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash Dash.

Truthfully, Morgana is a pretty middle of the road support. Her damage is mid/high for a support. Her CC is high for a support. Her lane sustain is terrible for a support. The only reason she's a competitive pick is because she saves people from brain dead double dive bot lane which is more of a product of the adc nerf than it is of Morgana's innate abilities.

Let's also not even get into how unreliable Morgana's Q really is. You will NEVER land a max range hit on this ability against an equally skilled opponent. It has the third slowest projectile speed in the game. If you let her walk up to you then she will hit it. Yes, let the champion with no mobility walk right up to you. That's something that happens often in high level play right?

The real benefit of Q is it is a dive-deterrent. People will think twice about going all in versus it. Oh, but if you miss it you're utterly, utterly fucked.

Let's not even get into how unrewarding Morgana is as a mid given she's a mage and not an enchanter.

My advice is just to practice more. I have about 5000 games played as Morgana over eight years. I've played it in every lane and against every match up. I could make list of how to counter play Morgana reliably as all 130 some champions.

YES... TELL THEM HOW PYKE CAN SIMPLY BAIT THE BLACKSHIELD THEN USE HIS HOOK AND DASH, WHILE YOUR BS IS ON CD.

Daddy AntsJul 20, 20186 votes

Morgana's shield is fine.

Warlord RhinarkJul 20, 20181 votes

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Morgana's shield is fine.

"Morgana" and "Fine" shouldn't be in the same sentence.

Cptn Han SoloQJul 20, 20184 votes

Are u srsly questioning if morgana is balanced while things like vladimir, swain, yasuo, cammille, irelia, ... i can go on with this list all day and morg would come somewhere suuuuper late. The only reason people hate her right now is because everyone is playing streetfighter instead of league and morg happens to keep people from inting while doing that.

Warlord RhinarkJul 20, 20181 votes

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Are u srsly questioning if morgana is balanced while things like vladimir, swain, yasuo, cammille, irelia, ... i can go on with this list all day and morg would come somewhere suuuuper late. The only reason people hate her right now is because everyone is playing streetfighter instead of league and morg happens to keep people from inting while doing that.

I never said any of the others were fine either.

There's a lot of things in League that isn't fine.

Cptn Han SoloQJul 20, 20181 votes

And Morgana really isn't one of them. This really seems to me like hating for hatings sake.

Warlord RhinarkJul 20, 20181 votes

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And Morgana really isn't one of them. This really seems to me like hating for hatings sake.

Well it all comes down to opinion I guess.

SwiftKitten88Jul 20, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cptn Han SoloQ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sWYpMroM,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2018-07-20T14:15:03.183+0000)

Are u srsly questioning if morgana is balanced while things like vladimir, swain, yasuo, cammille, irelia, ... i can go on with this list all day and morg would come somewhere suuuuper late. The only reason people hate her right now is because everyone is playing streetfighter instead of league and morg happens to keep people from inting while doing that.

ike yeah lets see MonkeyKing Quinn Talon Shaco (who i need to 100% ban, but i cant choose all 4) soon to be 5 with Akali who btw is the first ap champion this list Irelia Jax Nocturne Yasuo XinZhao

now lets go into the B teir picks... Vladimir Swain Camille

or was that enough for you?

and your complaining about morg?

which btw counter almost NONE of these. (she does counter current akali but riot couldnt have counterplay in a rework so they made "true stealth"

koshkyraJul 20, 20185 votes

Lmao they were supposed to nerf supports and they nerf orianna but not morg

Press Q WinJul 20, 20182 votes

For that matter, i wish they make her viable mid again and that people stop picking her support only...

destroyer22719Jul 20, 20181 votes

I think she's just so much better support because her black shield counter's everyone magic damage and hook that why waste her mid when you can use her support?

ISLAMICWARRIOR99Jul 20, 20185 votes

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For that matter, i wish they make her viable mid again and that people stop picking her support only...

Morg mid is complete cancer to play against. You literally sit there hoping she fucks up while she presses w and 1 shots the wave

GrReaper96Jul 20, 20182 votes

They should make it decay like Janna

HungryAngry2SPPJul 20, 20182 votes

I think they'll nerf it in next patch

Caretaker JackJul 20, 20181 votes

If they at least made it to where she had to time it.

Jackom1Jul 20, 20181 votes

They only nerfed shields that are problematic for AD champions.

Morgana's shield is useful vs AP damage and CC, that ADCs and AD assassins lack anyway. So it's all good.

"Fuck mages" - Rito 2018

SooFr0styJul 20, 20181 votes

It's actually more problematic for non magic damage users who want to use CC.

Because they don't have any damage to kill the shield sooner, they have to wait 5 secs or however long it is before using cc.

Tuition FeeJul 20, 20181 votes

I hate her shield, because while most supports need to buy crucible and wait two minutes, Morg basically has a built in crucible every 15 seconds that also blocks AP damage that she doesn't need to time on someone who is already cc'd, but can just pop it on someone before the cc chains even start.