Why I'm Toxic

the person going 2/8 has no control over your feelings, only you do. whether a game is ruined or not is subjective. lots of other people would continue playing where you keep giving up, and that's a problem.

but as long as you keep it out of chat, Riot won't care.

When you enter a game, you enter it with the knowledge that there is a surrender option and people may choose to surrender or not. You have to accept that. If you lose your temper because others don't want to surrender, that should be your problem, not your teammates that now have to deal with someone who can't keep their emotions in check because they don't give up as easy as you do.

I don't like surrendering because I want to learn how to play from behind because anyone can mess up late game and throw it... but it definitely doesn't happen as much as I'd like. Also, if the game dragged out 40+ minutes doesn't that kind of justify the surrender vote failing? If the game is that over, as you say it is, the enemy should win it before 30 minutes.

I've won games where literally everyone else had a negative score at one point in the game, from 5 to 10+ deaths in the negative. We were behind as a team by over 30 deaths. We were playing as a party of 5, so it's not like we were dragging randoms in the match with us. Everyone else wanted to surrender. I told them if they surrendered, I wouldn't play with them anymore, because I don't want to play with people who decide it's time to give up long before the match has been decided. 3 of them pressed yes, one of them decided to press no with me. We split all lanes and just farmed up to make up for past losses, because we knew that grouping at that point wouldn't have worked for us. I started getting kills in bot lane. Jungle started ganking top and making progress up there. Eventually, it got to a point where I was able to 1v3 any of them with ease. We grouped up, won a team fight, pushed 4 turrets, inhib and nexus, and won the game.

You are wasting your own time when you decide to give up early. The longer a game goes on, the more equal your chances of winning or losing become. You got stomped earlier in the game because someone was able to get an upper hand. When they use that advantage, they're able to build 1, 2 or even more full items than other players, depending on how bad they snowballed you. But you know what? Later on in the game, eventually everyone will have a full build. They no longer have the multiple item advantage over you. A single team fight can determine the match, regardless of how behind you were earlier in the game.

I wish that Riot, who's on multiple occassions admitted that their game is frustrating, would stop punishing players who are frustrated by their game. I don't know what they expect when there's a number of players who cannot play this game without insulting everyone forever and at the same time makes the most blatant mistakes. I've lost most of my games today because of players who tilt themselves, tilt the team, tell everyone to kill themselves, using all sorts of hate speech, then proceed to blame everyone when we in fact lose. The other losses were because of selfish players who spend all game split pushing or jungling instead of playing for the victor.

I mean, if you're losing that hard that you have to FF, the game won't even last 40 mins lol.

I will never surrender because I have come back from the brink of loss so many times EVEN IN SEASON 8

This mindset is toxic and is becoming a common trend. Back in the day it was "never give up". Now its "im mad that someone fed so now I wanna give up and they ruined MY game". Quit trying to justify being toxic on the people playing poorly and not catering to you wanting to give up.

Them wanting to play the game out IS NOT worse than your bad attitude and toxic behaviour. It baffles me that you even would imply such a thing.

normally when ppl dont surr at 15 min while losing hard the game end after 5 min if it take anylonger then that then there was a chance imo

Wow, you aren't downvoted to oblivion. Strange. People on these boards are liberal snowflakes. And yes, you're right, i just don't know why the one that went 0/8 on laning phase ALWAYS HAS TO press "NO" and follow it with a "don't worry, we outscale" and then you play for 40 minutes, having ups and downs and at the and you lose. If you were to flame, by flame i mean to say ANYTHING BAD (excluded phrases like 'kys' and stuff) you will be the bad one and that snowflake that went 0/9 will press a 'report' button and you gonna get banned, meanwhille they will happily feed their next games.

FUCK THIS COMMUNITY'S LOGIC.

Not exaggerating, i think that league has the worst community i've ever seen. Not even minecraft kids are this toxic and snowflaky.

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Short Version: I hate people who make games unwinnable and then drag you along for 40 minutes.

Long Version:

These people might not even be toxic, but they're far worse than any toxic player in the game. And I wanna be clear, its not because they suck it's because they can't move on. Like, there are bad games you can bounce back from, but i'm not talking about those. I mean the real bad games where these fuckers play so poorly that you don't have a chance without the right comp or 2/5 people doing well enough to carry. I'm talking about those games.

If you're "learning" and you put someone in a game like that, then you shouldn't be so try hard that you're willing to waste 40 minutes of someone else's time to change those low odds (which you caused in the first place.) If that's you, then you don't deserve any more than 15 minutes of that persons time. You have no excuse. If you fucked up early, then you don't need to learn late game, you need to practice early game again and stop dragging your allies through the mud.

If you fail, then do what you can and then accept the loss at 15. How bad is that? You get to play another game and give it another go till you got it down. Its that fucking simple. NA needs to start taking notes from Korea. A region where you need to prove you're worth anything beyond that 15 minute mark or they will _ALL _ go mid. There is no leaver buster over there and computer cafe's $charge$ by the hour. If you're goofing off and having fun at other peoples expense, that's fine. Just be a considerate human being and accept that your "fun" is done at 15... Then you can be someone else's problem.

It really pisses me off that someone can ruin a game and the person that wants to ff is, somehow, the bad guy because he hurt their feelings. Like, really? Weren't you the one who caused the situation? If so, then you're the problem. You don't really deserve a say on who is and isn't toxic. You don't get to talk about your feelings. What you get to do, is stfu and agree to surrender. Otherwise, you're the problem.

I fail to understand the audacity of these people who feel justified in demanding someone else waste their time, beyond 15 minutes, and pour everything they have into that one game that they ruined... Why does that person deserve all this? They didn't put any effort into looking up what they needed or enough into learning from it, but you're supposed to be on your grind and hard carry them? Last I checked, teamwork required everyone to play a part. So, if you want people to stick around, then you should earn it. Its stupid to say that people who put in the effort should be banned because they don't wanna linger longer than 15 in a pointless game.

Dear Riot. make the 15 minute ff the same as the others... Or so fucking help me. -__- (You may down vote now)

I can understand being frustrated and feeling held hostage in a league game. I've had a few games here and there where I'm no longer having fun (usually as ADC when i spend most of my time walking to lane and watching a grey screen) and a few where a group is trolling and just delaying a game.

These types of situations are frustrating! But... while it may be frustrating, you are in charge of how you deal with your emotions.

Me? I usually silently fume or just put up with it until the game is done. I usually stop playing league afterwards because I need a mental break and refresh myself.

If the way you deal with it is to be toxic, that's on you. Nobody else but you. You can feel angry, frustrated, pissed off, etc. because others are not voting to surrender. That's totally fine. But lashing out at them because they won't do what you want (ie. click surrender)? That is not the type of behaviour Riot wants in this game.

To be honest, I used to be toxic as well. Not so much in league chat, but over voicechat with friends. Not to the point of personal attacks, but I'd constantly point out misplays, sigh when my friends made poor plays, or get upset when we were losing badly. People stopped wanting to play with me because of this. I just wasn't fun to play games with. A few years back, someone sat me down an pointed out how I was toxic which really helped me curve me behaviour into something more positive (People like playing with me and I've made a few online friends through league because of it!).

I'd urge you to take a good look at yourself. You don't need to spit your poisonous words at others, no matter how infuriating they are. There are more positive and constructive ways to deal with the emotions. Even AFK'ing instead is a start (still receive a penalty but I'd say it's better than the current approach).

On a different note, your points about changing up the FF system and leavebuster are totally valid and worth exploring. I'm sure these things could be updated to help reduce player frustration and make league a more enjoyable experience.

Who do you think you are, unilaterally deciding that a game is over when the rest of your team does not want to ff? It's a vote. You do not get all 5 votes. You entered the game that has these rules for ff, and if your team votes to stick it out, suck it up and try until the game is actually over. You don't get to decide for the other 4 people on your team.

The easy answer and solution is to make the FF 3 out of 5 at 25 minutes and beyond. I really do not understand how they can say "not a majority" when 60% said yes. Perhaps just apply the lower threshold to blind and draft normal modes at first? Nobody should have to stretch a 20 minute game out 50-55 minutes and then lose stupidly.

Whoah 28 to 22 on the vote counter, seems this is a controversial topic.