There should be a support-oriented AP Mage item for champions who don't heal or shield their allies.

SzGamer227·10/17/2017, 4:46:51 PM·3 votes·908 views

Champions such as Brand Zyra Zilean who have fallen out of the meta because of the dominance of Ardent Censer.

Back when Zeke's Harbinger was reworked, mage supports were among the stronger in the meta, and as someone who plays Brand support, I was crushingly disappointed when they took a sub-optimal but potentially very cool item that was targeted at AP supports and turned it into a gimmicky tank item. (To this day I have never seen what the passive on Zeke's Convergence actually looks like in-game).

When I'm playing Brand support, I want an item that I can equip what gives me the damage and mana I need to function as a damage/cc oriented mage support and actually makes it feel like I'm supporting the adc instead of just dealing damage and leashing kills. Zeke's Harbinger was an item that had usability and reliability issues, but was attempting to fill this void in the AP mage support meta. The idea of being able to link to the adc and deal more damage together, which was never fully optimized and ultimately deleted from the game.

I don't know what the item should be. I just know that I would really love to have an item that made a mage-carry duo feel strong together like an enchanter-carry combo does.

30 Comments

Moooose210/17/2017, 4:54:49 PM6 votes

Try any AP item in the game that doesn't have stats wasted on heal/shield power.

Escheton10/17/2017, 5:17:00 PM2 votes

item 3092. It even scouts out and slows people for you to kill. I mean, for real. Just build it.

Ahris10/17/2017, 5:26:34 PM1 votes

Spell theif exists.

MarvelOtter10/17/2017, 7:46:28 PM1 votes

stoneborn+ardent on any of these champs

Mysticman8910/18/2017, 12:49:47 AM1 votes

I feel like athenes wants to be the offensive mage 'support' item, since it basically turns your damage into healing potential (with the trade off of course being that you're going to be doing less damage than building straight pen/AP yourself).

The trick is then finding a way to trigger that, which new runes might be good at. Two notable runes for that are the bond of stone one [not a keystone!] which allows people to heal off your cc'd target (which all 3 of those can do), and also summon aery can be used on any ally target spell, not just heal/shield ones, so zil could potentially speed up an ally, shield them in the process because of the rune, and then benefit from any heal/shield triggered effects as well.

Variks the Loyal10/18/2017, 12:51:48 AM1 votes

I love Zeke's Convergence, the effect is really cool and it's awesome for peeling.

It's main issue is that isn't not OP, so people don't build it.

chipndip110/17/2017, 4:48:49 PM1 votes

I made this type of post ages ago. You're wasting your time if you think anyone cares.

gemini33310/18/2017, 12:57:20 AM1 votes

I think a big problem with creating this kind of item would be how abusable it can be for mid-lane mages. However, I do think this issue could be solved by making said items boost primarily non-combat stats, with some sort of late-game item transforming those non-combat stats into AP. Riot did something similar with item 3174 Discord passive, but then locked it behind another arbitrary healing/damage passive. I think it would be pretty interesting to have something like that there so that AP supports could shine throughout the game.

There could be an item that increases ally damage against enemy champions affected by your hard CC, or reduces enemy damage output by consistently hitting them with spell damage (like an AP version of Black Cleaver); stuff like that could be used by enchanters as well, but could also give AP supports a chance to shine.

La Belle Sauvage10/17/2017, 4:58:23 PM1 votes

I made the switch from Zyra to Sona before Ardent was an issue.

If I take Zyra or better Brand, it is because I think the ADC is Garbo, but for all their Damage, Sona's Q, is to good to pass up.

Even after they Nerf Ardent into the ground (assuming the y do) I'd favor Sona over the other 2, even though I think Brand And Zyra provide better damage the can't heal their ADC.

Just my opinion.