how the hell do you win against a vayne

Hahahahyena·Jul 3, 2016·2 votes·4,121 views

seriously she basically wins lane with her 3 hit true damage auto bs. she has a self peeling ability for ganks and dont fucking say "just focus her" and act like the rest of her team is ignorable no, they arent, you focus her , her team kills you, you focus any of her team, she kills you, she is so fucking toxic and impossible to beat and you cant counterbuild her because of her bullshit %health true damage WHICH SHOULD NOT BE %HEALTH AND BE A LOT LESS TOXIC IF IT SCALED WITH AD, holy shit shes impossible to beat, fuck vayne and her op bullshit roll invis true %health true damage knock back

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iisabrinaJul 3, 20162 votes

Okay Calm down,

If they have a vayne on the team you need to end the game early. Yes if she gets fed early like most champs she is going to do alot of damage to your team.

There are champions like cait who can delete vayne in three shots. Remember vayne is a squishy.

Assassins can delete vayne. A Yi with a crit build can nearly one shot vayne.

Vayne is strong there is a reason pros player her and not miss fortune.

Most Importantly, if your team cant win team fights, dont team fight, you can just kite them to your turret.

HahahahyenaJul 3, 20162 votes

if she has even the slightest intellegent team she is going to fucking destroy whether she got fed or not because thats how we played the game, end quickly, but you know what fucking happened? vayne just chunks the fucking tank like theres no tomorrow, destroyus the adc because hey who needs counterplay, and anally fucks anyone who gets near her, an even slightly competent vayne knows that caitlyn cant shoot her when shes behind her own team when theyre killing cait, cait cant ult her when vayne gets behind her teammates, cait isnt reliable when shes getting dove on by vayne's team so stop thinking that vayne's team isnt existing, yi cant kill vayne because all she needs to do is roll and e him into a wall and completely burst him down so thats not an answer, vayne is too fucking strong no matter how you look at it, kite? lol cant kite fucking her auto bullshit

Lysdexic1Jul 3, 20161 votes

Lane bullies are a Vayne's worst nightmare. MissFortune Lucian Quinn Draven . They will bully her out of lane early, denying her farm and items and just make her life hell when she needs to be building up for late game. Obviously that doesnt mean you can play stupidly , avoid standing near walls and ward extensively because you may be camped by a smart enemy jungler. Focus on reliable csing while poking her down. Out-buy her in items early and press your advantage trying to secure a kill or two if possible. Midgame focus on rotation and objectives. Most Vaynes will stay in lane and try to farm up in the time you've left for them but it wont make a difference if they have no towers left. From there it should be a pretty snowbally win where the Vayne is too far behind to help her team and you can just steamroll through to the nexus.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

but she can just group up with her teammates when the time is right even if she isnt optimally itemed out and STILL FACE ROOL THE ENTIRE ENEMY TEAM FROM BEHIND HER OWN, ITS UTTER BULLSHIT

Lysdexic1Jul 4, 20161 votes

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but she can just group up with her teammates when the time is right even if she isnt optimally itemed out and STILL FACE ROOL THE ENTIRE ENEMY TEAM FROM BEHIND HER OWN, ITS UTTER BULLSHIT

Sooooo.... you wanted constructive advice but wont listen to any of it? slow clap it isnt our fault you dont know how to push your advantages and snowball into lategame so kindly stop contradicting us with baseless accusations

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

it isnt consrtuctive when ive ALREADY DONE EVERYTHING YOUVE SAID BEFOREHAND OF THIS POST and have drawn the conclusion of THOSE CLICHE STRATS DONT WORK

Lysdexic1Jul 4, 20161 votes

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it isnt consrtuctive when ive ALREADY DONE EVERYTHING YOUVE SAID BEFOREHAND OF THIS POST and have drawn the conclusion of THOSE CLICHE STRATS DONT WORK

It isn't our fault you dont have the skill to pull it off.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

it isnt my fault when vayne also destroys the fucking team because of how overpwoered she is thanks to riot's incompetent balancing

Lysdexic1Jul 4, 20161 votes

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it isnt my fault when vayne also destroys the fucking team because of how overpwoered she is thanks to riot's incompetent balancing

My god, you couldnt pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

and you cant see the truth even though its right in front of you

redfeenixJul 3, 20161 votes

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vayne+counters&l=1

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

it only shows lane counters, when laning ends she completely dominates anyone who fought her in lane especially when shes behind her wall of teammates

redfeenixJul 4, 20161 votes

vayne duels 1 person at a time. Have the bruisers tank her w, while others go in . Having hard cc is great so she cant tumble. Bring a pink ward to counter her invis. Stay away from Walls. Do not 1 v 1 her if shes fed. She has the shortest attack range. stay out of her range and poke if possible.

Vayne excells at kiting , dont get too baited.

Hope that helps, shes actually considered very weak in this meta eh. Bring exhaust to shut her down.

LaserDeathBladeJul 4, 20161 votes

Have you tried playing Vayne?

She's strong vs a single target but her teamfight DPS is greatly exaggerated, most ADCs can match or exceed her damage output due to AoE Lucian or just more consistent damage Caitlyn . She's easy to zone out and loses a lot of DPS if she has to switch targets, meaning if you have a decent team comp which is admittedly rare in solo queue, it's possible to deny a lot of her silver bolt procs.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

mastery lvl 4, i played a lot of her because of her bullshit

caitlyn is only a lane counter, if she tried to fight vayne in a real fight other than laning cait would seriously be outmatched with vayne having higher damage output than cait's initial headshot damage (which would only be 1 headshot, the auto headshot, since vayne can tumble away from caits net and can tumble away from caits q) even in teamfights cait usually gets bursted down because she has a poor escape and lucian on the other hand can only try to duel vayne in a 1v1, if he tried to focus a vayne in a teamfight he would get killed before her

LaserDeathBladeJul 4, 20161 votes

I doubt you've won every match on Vayne

Just think of how you lost those games and do the same to enemy Vaynes

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

i lost some games because i was either out of position or i didnt have a front line to hide behind but any vayne knows that if she has a team to hide behind shes fucking unstoppable if she stays behind them and i know from firsthand experience

LaserDeathBladeJul 4, 20161 votes

True you could stay behind a tank, but IMO it's incredibly hard for a Vayne pick to be 'worth it' if you're just staying back DPSing the easiest target because like I mentioned earlier a decent team will just rotate your damage and Vayne isn't going to get as much value as someone like Draven in this case

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

auto q auto isnt going to proc her damage? they cant rotate faster than she can fucking chunk a third of your health, plus no matter who takes her damage they WILL WITHOUT A GODDAMN DOUBT get a chunk of their health missing, plus the damage of her allies are going to hurt as well, shes just utter bullshit

LaserDeathBladeJul 4, 20161 votes

I mean what do you expect an ADC to do lol?

My point is unless Vayne is really good at killing 1 guy really fast, her entire purpose is to kill people really fast 1 at a time. If she doesn't kill someone really fast then she's not doing her job so she's going to bring less value to your team than a champ like Ashe.

Her 'counterplay' is that you can deny her ability to kill 1 person really fast because her range is pretty short, she has no AoE, and she can't switch targets easily.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

She doesn't need to kill a target, she just needs to chunk an enemy and if they don't die to her her teammates will finish the job, and killing 1 person fast part she does it WAY too fast and leave no counterplay at all

The Boring NerdJul 4, 20161 votes

Stuns are always good, try Veigar. See what happens.

I <3 Veigar

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

item 3140 item 3156 item 3102 item 3222

The Boring NerdJul 4, 20161 votes

What's that, the build you used? Or is that Vayne's build?

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

A build to get away from veigar, dumping CV on her won't do you any good since she can get out with these and even if you tried to mage burst her down she can build maw and get away with a chunk of health that she will just life steal back up anyways plus if she gets cced after her qss a support with mikaels will save her anyways

The Boring NerdJul 5, 20161 votes

Well, the only thing I can think of that you have to rule over her. Maybe if you have a really fed Kat on your team, that would be good. If someone on the other team is fed, you lost cause Vayne is gonna follow in their steps. GG.

Fed Katarina or Lose

HahahahyenaJul 5, 20161 votes

kat is hard to get fed since shes so predictable in lane and if you ping her missing bot and top would just either back to hug tower until she shows her face again and even then its hard to get fed with her because all she brings to the table is a kamikaze playstyle which rarely have i seen work and just brought her to doom

UmioJul 4, 20161 votes

Keep vision wards, as soon as she ults you lay it - preferably in a bush so that it cannot be auto [ not that they really ahve time to strike it 4-5 times].
CrowdControl Support 3.Do not position yourself/allies near terain at which you can be condemned.

She is super easy to counter

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

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Keep vision wards, so you can see her utterly annihilate your team without her getting invisible

she uses qss and if she has a ranged support they will mikaels her 3.her condemn is usually used for proccing her third w passive and cc you away from her to keep her safe and your health bar crying regardless if you were stunned or not

She is impossible to counter

UmioJul 4, 20162 votes

Funny considering I stomp her everytime I play against her.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

Must be playing against bad vaynes then because every vayne I've played against 100% destroys the entire team no matter what we do

UmioJul 4, 20161 votes

yeah. . . that must be it . . .

warpenguin555Jul 4, 20161 votes

Play Blucian

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

and watch as she kills your team while her team kills lucian she can easily hide behind her team and destroy her enemies while lucian will get destroyed by her team since lucian's team isnt the one with vayne

warpenguin555Jul 4, 20161 votes

you're talking about a standard lucian, im talking about blucian. Blucian even beats tank akali

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

He'll still get bursted down

warpenguin555Jul 4, 20161 votes

But theres no way you win when you take on a blucian duh

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

Getting %health true damage chunked out of you with no doubt bortk you can't win against her no matter your build

Friendly RamJul 4, 20161 votes

generally i go braum or lulu to disrupt her silver bolt procs. in teamfights try to keep a pink on hand.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

Then she gets a qss and all that counter picking gets completely negated and she steamrolls your team

Friendly RamJul 4, 20161 votes

ok first braum shield can intercept projectiles and give damage reduction. second lulu can shield and heal you as well as having an 80% slow. third what is with all the QQ?

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

First vayne can wait out braum shield second lulus shield will get destroyed in a second plus her healing will just get chunked out again and her slow will just slow the inevitable and third vayne is fucking overpowered and every vayne I've faced against that isn't a total idiot just chunks out any tank/ADC/mage/support/assassin/jungler and is COMPLETE BULLSHIT

bloodybadger1Jul 4, 20161 votes

Vayne is freelo if she's on the enemy team.

There are far worse champs rn in league.

Vlad, Nid, Hec, kinda Jhin, Soraka, GP, Swain, Zyra, Anivia, etc...

Picking the right support and destroying her in lane are the keys to beating her and its usually by 20.

Exhaust destroys her more than other adc's because shes usually tumbling in to do damage and only has e after. Plus she only has aa's.

Pink wards are op...hint hint.

She is probably the worst adc for seiging. Use it to your advantage.

She has terrible wave clear as well.

All of the above are abuseable.

The only time she is even good is if your team doesn't have an initiator or decent cc and its past 30 min.

If you are support play leo, taric, brand, zyra. If you are ad play cait, lucian, ezreal. If you are jung play graves, vi, diana, etc. Pretty much anyone with burst will destroy her every fight, but i find, in the mid lane, that veigar, azir, syndra and lux are made to destroy her. Top you could play jax or teemo if you really think she is a problem. I really only know about bot lane and maybe mid lane in terms of picks, but whatever. Every champ in this game is abuseable. You just have to understand how and to execute properly.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

Yeah she gets freelo if the player is even slightly competent

Yes they're toxic as hell too but at least have weaknesses that you can ACTUALLY use against them, vayne just fucks you over if you even slightly mess up trying to get to her weakness

Picking a support against her is only useful in lane, plus she would have a support as well to help her and by the time you think the game should be over she already butt fucked half your team because you thought she was easy to kill because she was at her weakest point

AsphodelNextJul 4, 20161 votes

You kill her without counterplay. 100-0 Zed combo now can't be QSS'd; He can just flash through your team, become untargetable, nuke you to nothing, and swap back before your team's CC lands. Either you are in range of that, or you are so far away your team is fighting 4v5 without an ADC.

Now, the real way you win against Vayne is you win lane early, take map control, dragons, objectives, etc. But other people have made that argument, and you don't seem to understand it.

So here's something you can understand; there's something in the game even more OP that beats her. And now you can go and make a how do you win against Zed thread instead.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

That's if you get a game if he'd isn't banned which is 99% of the time

Plus vayne can just ultimate invis condemn him away and let her team cc him

Plus even if you take control of the map all vayne needs to do is sit behind her team and completely destroy her enemies

AsphodelNextJul 4, 20161 votes

And Zed can just E, pink ward, switch back before the condemn hits, and double shuriken after he's safely back with his team, or even before he switches if he's fast enough.

Vayne can't destroy people if she's behind. Percent maximum health true damage is not the magical, beats everything OP that you're looking for. Even 12% max health true damage means there's another 88% left to get through with AD that a Vayne who's behind doesn't have; other ADC's can deal the same damage as Vayne or even more, given that they will likely be ahead by at least half an item if they've been taking objectives.

And every ADC in the game(except maybe like Urgot or Quinn) can sit behind their team and completely destroy their enemies; it's not a thing unique to Vayne. And if the enemy ADC sits behind their frontline, and their whole team is ahead on global gold from objectives, then they will win the fight.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20162 votes

any competent vayne can didge zed q and watch the animation to tumble away from it or just walk away form it, "vayne cant destroy when shes behind" thats a funny one i didnt realize that 100-0 from a 0/2/2 vayne was just imaginary, vayne can get away with bullshit that other adc's cant especially with her invis tumble and fucking self peel plus she chunks ANYONE who goes into her range, ashe, kog, sivir, cait, draven, jinx, mf, cant sit behind their team and wreck like vayne does because theyll still ahve the threat of getting completely destroyed by their enemy team by getting dived on, vayne eliminates that threat by having an invis tumble and condemn to keep them away and plus she can just CHUNK them out with ease if they try to do so and her team will just peel for her if they do, ez lucian trist can barely duel her let alone team fight against her because of her fucking chunking and twitch is probably the best bet but even he gets shredded by her bullshit

AsphodelNextJul 4, 20161 votes

I thought you said Vayne tumbled -> condemn. It's on cooldown when Zed uses shuriken; sure, it's a short CD, but it's still on cooldown for at least a second after your auto starts, and that's long enough for Zed to line up and fire.

The invis on tumble is meaningless when you can just pink when she ults. Or if you're feeling stingy, you can force that job on the support.

Other ADC's have self peel. Ashe has arrow to the face. Cait has traps to stop the approach. Sivir spell shields the CC. And Vayne has a short dash and one second of invisibility which ends if she shoots.

And other ADC's can duel Vayne. They do it all the time, and it doesn't matter how often you say you lost a duel against a Vayne who was behind, or assert that every ADC in the game loses to her.

You can't duel a 6 item Vayne, but you can duel her at every point before that though. Percent health damage does less against squishy ADCs, and that's when the amount of AD and crit you've bought comes in i.e. how well laning phase went.

HahahahyenaJul 4, 20161 votes

Other ADCs can duel vayne don't make me laugh, vayne %health true damage on fucking autos that you can't even dodge then she no doubt will have bortk and then you're in deeper shit, she is impossible to fucking beat no matter if she's behind or not and that's the fucking truth, her bolts need to scale with ad that will make her so much more balanced than overpowered %health true damage