As someone who used to main AP Kog'Maw mid

Hahahahyena··10 votes·1,045 views

Can we make the execute damage scale with ad but the brunt of the damage scale with ap like the damage would be shown as like explosion damage=(ap scaling numbers)+execute damage=(ad scaling number% missing health) or at least something like that, i just want to play my koggy ap mid lane but if i do that now it would just feel like a HUGE damage nerf to his ult pls, ap mid lane kog was the only place he felt right for me, adc kog'maw feels so wrong

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Slamurai Jack3 votes

Fuck AP Kog. I'd be happy to never see that cancerous garbage ever again.

Haselnussstrauch1 votes

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Fuck AP Kog. I'd be happy to never see that cancerous garbage ever again.

fuck you there are way more champs that are unhealthy and are a nightmare to play against. ap kog has only his range and a lot of weaknesses. moreover is he a difficult champion not some brainless op.

ElysMustache3 votes

As someone who played mostly AP Kog last season, I think he's just as strong right now. His playstyle has changed a bit with his Ult usage. His waveclear is better due to the execute damage, and he has improved ability at stealing dragon, for example.

With the way Archangel Staff was changed, his MANA usage is UNCHANGED compared to before the change to his ult. People were exaggerating the mana cost difference in the first place. Having done the math, it only reduced his ult spamming ability by one ult in the first place.

Little known fact: your damage against turrets scales with your AP, and the magic damage portion of your AAs against turret is NOT reduced with your W active. AP Kog demolishes turrets.

Hahahahyena2 votes

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As someone who played mostly AP Kog last season, I think he's just as strong right now. His playstyle has changed a bit with his Ult usage. His waveclear is better due to the execute damage, and he has improved ability at stealing dragon, for example.

With the way Archangel Staff was changed, his MANA usage is UNCHANGED compared to before the change to his ult. People were exaggerating the mana cost difference in the first place. Having done the math, it only reduced his ult spamming ability by one ult in the first place.

Little known fact: your damage against turrets scales with your AP, and the magic damage portion of your AAs against turret is NOT reduced with your W active. AP Kog demolishes turrets.

no his playstyle has most definately changed, before his rework he was a poke and clear champion, with his rework his ap counterpart is now objective/ wave clear, the only time youll be doing significant damage as ap kog is if someone else had already done damage to a champion before you could actually poke someone with your ult from afar now you can barely do that unless the enemy is below 50% health

ElysMustache2 votes

Do you have any idea how much damage you average on your highest damage champ? Because I average 1070 damage/minute against champs with AP Kog this season.

Also, I said that his playstyle changed.

Sire Hippington2 votes

the big changes to his ult spam were not on the overall manacost, but that the cost reset needs 10 sec rather than 6 now)

Healey2 votes

I don't even know how you guys play AP Kog with Ahri running around. Kog is one of my most favorite champions, but I feel like he gets stomped vs most meta picks- even if you try just to manage waves and not commit to fights.

ElysMustache2 votes

I feel like conventional wisdom would say that Kog is weak against Assassins, but in all of season 5, I didn't lose a single game to either Zed or Fizz (13 total games between the two).

Sire Hippington2 votes

If you want to buff ap kog in any way, increase the Q scaleing, maybe make the ult finaly a dynamic scaleing so hitting a 51% hp target doesn't feels that shitty and change the increased manacost timer from 10 sec to 10/8/6 sec, so at 16 the manacosts reset as fast as they did befor the rework. But what ever happens, don't buff the no-execute damage of his ult. The old ult spam bot was just pure cancer to play against, i'd prefer faceing 5 ap S2 AP-Yis over a single ult-only kog.

Haveing his ult as execute and the rest of the kit to soften up targets is a far more healthy playstyle.

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