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Great job rito, glad youre making vayne even more powerful than she needs to be

Hahahahyena··7 votes·588 views

glad youre going to buff vayne when she actually needs a nerf, her true damage should scale with ad not %hp you jackasses, she has literally no counterplay when the player is even decently good and if you tell me that just focus her youre wrong because either her team will kill you or she will kill you, she is im-fucking-possible to do anything to, especially if her support is even half as decent as her, her skillcap is basically zero (from self experience lvl 4 vayne because of her bullshit) and she cant be built against because of her bullshit %hp true damage and self peel with an invisibility ult, dont say fucking pink because everyone fucking does that on my team and guess what she fucking kills us all no matter how many fucking pinks we put down, then she goes on about her day and gets a fucking triple because hey shes balanced right, dont be so naive and tell me shes bad rn because ive seen sooooo many vaynes just fucking wreck with her by having to do so little. the only thing bad about her is her range and thats not even bad because she has enough range to stay fucking safe behind her team, any vayne with half as much skill as a monkey can play her (again i know because ive played her multiple times) and the only time that she can get killed is if she doesnt have a team to hide behind or if shes caught out of place. and anyone should know that you stay behind your fucking team. her damage is way too fucking high for someone that has her amount of safeness, "focus her laning phase" yeah well then she gets a triple because guess what she just hugs the turret and you try to dove her, "pick a lane bully" yeah well she can still farm under turret, "delete her" yeah well heres the thing, if shes hding behind her team she cant be deleted "but zed or lb or etc" yeah well her team can peel for her ON TOP of her peeling for herself plus you can barely even touch her behind her team to begin with, any fucking argument you try to make ive alreayd tried HUNDREDS of times and yet she still comes out on top ebcause guess what shes over-fucking-powered and needs a nerf, NOT a buff.

39 Comments

FiddlesOnTheRoof4 votes

What elo are you? She's literally one of the worst adc's in the game. A good vayne is frustrating, especially at lower elos, but she's got a bottom 5 win rate at the position. She either fits into the Leblanc camp of low-win-rate-due-to-high-skill-cap (which refutes your claim she's easy), or she actually is in need of some sort of buff.

Hahahahyena2 votes

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What elo are you? She's literally one of the worst adc's in the game. A good vayne is frustrating, especially at lower elos, but she's got a bottom 5 win rate at the position. She either fits into the Leblanc camp of low-win-rate-due-to-high-skill-cap (which refutes your claim she's easy), or she actually is in need of some sort of buff.

just because she has the worst winrates in the game doesnt make her not op she needs a damage nerf because of her bullshit uncounterable true damage that should scale with fucking ad not %health, she does NOT need a buff, she clearly needs a nerf with the amount of uncounterable damage she does

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

How can you nerf a champion that has one of the lowest win rates in the game? You only nerf champions that win too much

Hahahahyena2 votes

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How can you nerf a champion that has one of the lowest win rates in the game? You only nerf champions that win too much

because she does too much damage??? she does wayyy too much damage for having nothing to counter it with PLUS the only time a vayne loses is if they are a bad vayne or if her team cant protect her

TNHA Baritone3 votes

You're ignorant. Goodbye. They aren't even nerfing her damage. Fool.

Hahahahyena2 votes

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You're ignorant. Goodbye. They aren't even nerfing her damage. Fool.

lol calling me ignorant when you cant see that she does too much damage that you cant even build against, sure, yes i know riot wont nerf her damage because theyre that fucking stupid

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

She wins less than half her games

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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She wins less than half her games

that makes her weak, but it doesnt make her kit less broken. when vayne gets buffs, shes usually ridiculous.

the last time she was strong was just a couple of month ago with a goddamn 50% pickrate. i just wish riot would treat her like they did with problematic bruisers and assassins in the past and bury her under a pile of nerfs until they know what to do with her.

MisterShameless4 votes

Karma has a 49% win rate for both mid and support, yet she is getting nerfed with no compensation. So what's your point if Riot still nerfs a champions that are currently struggling like Azir.

Sightless663 votes

The counterargument to that is that Karma and Azir were seeing success professionally and had to be balanced around that. Vayne isn't.

MisterShameless1 votes

Just because a champion sees a lot of play comes from many different reasons such as Lulu and Janna being heavily nerfed while Karma was given an op buff in the exact same patch (6.6) which is when we started seeing Karma in the LCS and less of the other options. As for Azir, his more of a special situation where he can be really strong if your team plays around him with him setting up walls to kills for his team and holding points. Obviously this is because of the LCS is based on teams, however, I don't know much about Azir situation but this is what I assumed. Right now, in Vayne's case, with the meta ADCs, Vayne is heavily out ranged and would suffer a lot in the laning phase which is why we don't see her in the LCS much.

Sightless663 votes

Lulu and Janna being heavily nerfed while Karma was given an op buff in the exact same patch (6.6) which is when we started seeing Karma in the LCS and less of the other options.

Yeah, I know that's why she was used. That's why she was strong in competitive play, and that's why she had to be nerfed for competitive play. How does that information change anything about what I said?

As for Azir, his more of a special situation where he can be really strong if your team plays around him with him setting up walls to kills for his team and holding points.

Again, I know. That's why he was strong in competitive, and that's why he had to get balanced around competitive play. That was kind of my point.

Vayne is heavily out ranged and would suffer a lot in the laning phase which is why we don't see her in the LCS much.

Exactly, and that's why her situation is not comparable to Karma and Azir being nerfed despite having sub-50% winrates. They have an area outside of solo queue play where they are good, and they get judged around it. She doesn't, so she gets judged around solo queue play.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to get at with your argument. I don't think anything you wrote contradicted what I said. I said that Karma and Azir were strong professionally, and needed to be balanced around it, while Vayne wasn't. You explained why they strong professionally and Vayne wasn't, but that's not related to my point at all. It doesn't really matter why for the purpose of my argument, it only matters that they are.

MisterShameless1 votes

I was trying to add onto your argument while giving more information since your post was seen at a different point of view and was negatively received.

Sightless661 votes

Ah, I see. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

TNHA Baritone1 votes

I'd say Corki or Kalista is the worst ADC

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

Possibly. Like I said, she's bottom 5. She has the fifth lowest win rate among adc's

Cloud2732 votes

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What elo are you? She's literally one of the worst adc's in the game. A good vayne is frustrating, especially at lower elos, but she's got a bottom 5 win rate at the position. She either fits into the Leblanc camp of low-win-rate-due-to-high-skill-cap (which refutes your claim she's easy), or she actually is in need of some sort of buff.

I've been saying for years that Vayne is garbage. Yes her %health and true damage is scary, but her short auto attack range keeps her in check. Every time she tries to auto attack someone, she puts herself at a huge risk, since she's in range of most abilities. I'm glad Riot is finally listening and giving her some love.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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What elo are you? She's literally one of the worst adc's in the game.

she still doesnt have counterplay. part of the reason shes usually either batshit overpowered or trash.

she either gets beaten early in almost all cases, or the enemy team has a teamcomp that can stall, or she hits her powerspikes way too early (due to buffs) in which case she just scales into lategame anyways.

and its not like a nasus lategame where you can still counterplay him by kiting even when he has 600 stacks.

everything in vaynes kit is just static stat boosts, mobility tools, or her on target disengage. there is no ability in her kit you can play around.

its basically as bad as annies kit. only that you can actually counterbuild annie but not vayne. you can only outpick a vayne, not outplay her.

this alone is a reason for vayne to get a rework instead of a buff.

Hahahahyena1 votes

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she still doesnt have counterplay. part of the reason shes usually either batshit overpowered or trash.

she either gets beaten early in almost all cases, or the enemy team has a teamcomp that can stall, or she hits her powerspikes way too early (due to buffs) in which case she just scales into lategame anyways.

and its not like a nasus lategame where you can still counterplay him by kiting even when he has 600 stacks.

everything in vaynes kit is just static stat boosts, mobility tools, or her on target disengage. there is no ability in her kit you can play around.

its basically as bad as annies kit. only that you can actually counterbuild annie but not vayne. you can only outpick a vayne, not outplay her.

this alone is a reason for vayne to get a rework instead of a buff.

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vaynes auto attack range is not short. its 550, which is average.

and dont start with poke tools, because theyre mainly relevant in lane and dont mean shit by midgame. a sivir wont win a teamfight by throwing boomerangs from max range. if she wants to dps, she has to come into the same auto attack range as the vayne.

the same goes for every single adc. even ezreal wont deal enough damage just by spamming q. and hes the most extreme example when it comes to an adc using his poke tool to dps.

in pretty much all cases, long range poke tools arent even used by other adc in teamfights since they would slow down their dps. theyre all fighting at the same attack range as vayne.

and with her tumble, vaynes threat range is even larger than 550.

thank you, glad SOMEONE is smart enough to realize vayne is completely broken and uncounterable

DoktorKaiser3 votes

Well while I do agree that Vayne is cancerous champion and one of the worst designed ones (in terms of how unfair her kit is) , you cant just say there is NOTHING you can do. There are dosens of noob stuns in the game which you cant miss, get 2 of them and even QSS wont help her. Of course there is a problem if they have more fed damage dealers, if you go all on Vayne, you lose anyway when others kill you and that makes her pretty bs. But what I really get anoyed with is that Vayne has too good of a laning phase. Yes you heard me Vayne mains, come at me brah!!! I play this game for over 6 years, and when I used to start it was normal for a Vayne to literally have 2 times less farm than her lane opponent and that she had to constantly hide behind her turret because of how weak she was untill ~30 min. It was either hold untill 30, or lose a 4v5 game. Nowadays she just goes tumble lvl 1, silver bolts lvl 2 and with any adc that doesnt outrange her by a lot, she can zone me extremely hard from level fucking 2, because of how much the silver bolts do early game. God forbid she has an aggressive support to back her up as well... And dont pull that winrate shit, she has low winrate because she is played mostly by kids who want to 1v5 all the time, same as riven, same as yasuo, vayne is pretty toxic for the game and should be kept at being average at best.

Caítlyn2 votes

Someones angry. Is it that time of the month?

VoidStaresBack2 votes

Sure seems to be for you.

Oh, wait. That's every post you make. Nevermind.

TNHA Baritone1 votes

It's on the PBE and is likely to be removed. Just wait. Patience is a virtue.

Hahahahyena1 votes

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It's on the PBE and is likely to be removed. Just wait. Patience is a virtue.

knwoing riots bs they wont take it off

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

You're 3-3-5 in your one ranked game on her. How is that op?

Hahahahyena1 votes

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You're 3-3-5 in your one ranked game on her. How is that op?

i have lvl 4 vayne just because of my ranked game with her doesnt mean she isnt overpowered

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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knwoing riots bs they wont take it off

link please

Treeofwar1 votes

draven beats vayne

Hahahahyena1 votes

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draven beats vayne

for 5 minutes then he gets shredded by anyone else other than vayne

Treeofwar1 votes

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for 5 minutes then he gets shredded by anyone else other than vayne

no draven is actually the hard counter to vayne thats why in the LCS even when vayne was pick or ban c9 picked draven as a counter since his damage has more burst than hers since he crits for 1.4k and kills her in 2 autos.

Hahahahyena2 votes

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no draven is actually the hard counter to vayne thats why in the LCS even when vayne was pick or ban c9 picked draven as a counter since his damage has more burst than hers since he crits for 1.4k and kills her in 2 autos.

because he kills HER when others are killing HIM, she will just kill everyone else besides draven and let her team deal with him when he tries to kill her, ive seen this so many times

VoidStaresBack1 votes

If this happens, Draven's team is doing a shitty job keeping him alive, doesn't mean Vayne isn't countered pretty severely by Draven.

Hahahahyena3 votes

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If this happens, Draven's team is doing a shitty job keeping him alive, doesn't mean Vayne isn't countered pretty severely by Draven.

draven's team will get shredded by vayne while her team will kill draven, whats so hard to get about that? they could be the best adc defender but against vayne they cant do jack against her

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Incorrect. Vayne's short range puts her in easy CC and attack reach of the enemy team, and if you catch a Vayne then gg for her.

She doesn't shred quickly enough to prevent all CC headed her way, and to say otherwise would downright stupid since she needs three attacks for each silver bolts proc.

You deal with Vayne the exact same way you deal with other ADCs, except that she makes your job easier by getting in close.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Incorrect. Vayne's short range puts her in easy CC and attack reach of the enemy team, and if you catch a Vayne then gg for her.

She doesn't shred quickly enough to prevent all CC headed her way, and to say otherwise would downright stupid since she needs three attacks for each silver bolts proc.

You deal with Vayne the exact same way you deal with other ADCs, except that she makes your job easier by getting in close.

vaynes auto attack range is not short. its 550, which is average.

and dont start with poke tools, because theyre mainly relevant in lane and dont mean shit by midgame. a sivir wont win a teamfight by throwing boomerangs from max range. if she wants to dps, she has to come into the same auto attack range as the vayne.

the same goes for every single adc. even ezreal wont deal enough damage just by spamming q. and hes the most extreme example when it comes to an adc using his poke tool to dps.

in pretty much all cases, long range poke tools arent even used by other adc in teamfights since they would slow down their dps. theyre all fighting at the same attack range as vayne.

and with her tumble, vaynes threat range is even larger than 550.

VoidStaresBack2 votes

And 550 is plenty within range for quite a few CC abilities in the game, on top of most damage abilities.

Fun fact: Vayne is squishy, just like every ADC. If you can catch her out in the slightest (particularly if she uses her tumble to get closer) she dies in an instant. Yes, she's an incredibly powerful late game carry. These carries are called hypercarries, and they still exist despite having almost died off for a while. If you let her get to late game, then that is your team's problem and yes, she's going to be incredibly powerful. Shut her down early and often and she's going to be meh for most of the game.

It's like bitching because an invulnerable Kayle melted you as an ADC. Both require several items to attain their hyper-damage states and are relatively weak early on due to item dependency. She can teamfight better than almost anyone, yes, but why did you let her get to her teamfight build?

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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And 550 is plenty within range for quite a few CC abilities in the game, on top of most damage abilities.

thats why i said you can only outpick her, not outplayer her. it doesnt make her less cancerous.

you need the right champion with an on target stun and burst to deal with her. you need very specific champions to deal with vayne because she doesnt have strategic counterplay.

Ralanr1 votes

I don't see her getting buffed on the PBE.

stastix tn1 votes

agree

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