I was playing Ashe against a Jax, Talon, and Rengar and as you probably guessed from the title, I died. A lot. The problem was I couldn't find a way to contribute in team fights but not get killed instantly. Any tips or tricks for me? Please share with me what to do in a situation like this!!!
Mr Broken Wings3 votes3rd item ga, wait till their team wasted their engages or make picks with your ult. Normally teamcomps like that are horrible at straight 5 v 5 so as long as you can just wait till your team cought one you should be fine.
msk512 votesOkay, do you think shooting out w's is okay? Or should I make myself completely safe until they get a pick.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesOkay, do you think shooting out w's is okay? Or should I make myself completely safe until they get a pick.
Poking with W is okay, but not if it puts you in danger. Ashe is very team reliant, she isn't good as a 'solo' ADC like say Vayne, Quinn or Graves.
msk511 votesTrue.... Sounds good! Thanks man!! i'll be sure to play like that form now on. :)
Radnar the bold1 votesOkay, do you think shooting out w's is okay? Or should I make myself completely safe until they get a pick.
W's are great! They give you a form of map awareness to prepare yourself. I would say, go with who ever you feel strongest with, but now that counterpicks are thing. Be vocal with your teammates, as well as keeping a close eye on the map. Map awarness is key to playing adc. I main top, so I know when to split push and when to back off, which are important for that role. For adc you have to be aware of what danger you could be in.
msk511 votesGotcha, thanks man! And yeah, I need to work on my map awareness. xD
Radnar the bold3 votesThe issue is that those three's jobs are to hunt down the ADC. The only thing you can do, is to stick by your teamates and always have some form of protection. Unless you are super fed, you cannot 1v1 anyone of those guys.
msk511 votesOkay, so essentially it wasn't always my fault when I kept dying, it was just the three players doing their job well?
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesOkay, so essentially it wasn't always my fault when I kept dying, it was just the three players doing their job well?
Their job is to beat you yes. So your job is to position well and rely on your team. You did fine, avoiding assassins on Ashe is no easy task. It takes time to get use to.
msk511 votesOkay, thanks a ton! It's pretty cool to have all these players trying to help out a potential enemy in-game. Again, thanks!
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesOkay, thanks a ton! It's pretty cool to have all these players trying to help out a potential enemy in-game. Again, thanks!
Enemy or ally. I would rather you play well, and have fun ^^ see you on the rift.
msk511 votesHopefully! Thanks again
Fondling Gems1 votesBasically, there are always things you can do better, but there is a certain point at which that many people are going to kill you. Honestly I just cheese a 3rd item Zhonyas and troll them when they go in on me. On thing you can do though, especially if this is draft, is grab TP instead of Heal and stand faaaaaaaar away. Ult towards a fight and TP after rengo and talon ults are down. Not ideal but it means you might be able to do some contribution.
adidas2 votesAs someone with 1100 ranked games bot lane.
You will find it that in some games you just cant do anything. Thats the honest truth. Ashe into their team was a bad pick anyway..
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesAs someone with 1100 ranked games bot lane.
You will find it that in some games you just cant do anything. Thats the honest truth. Ashe into their team was a bad pick anyway..
There is no, no win situation.
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There is no, no win situation.
I didnt say there was a no win situation.
I've been in games where they had fizz akali and rengar. You're practically a dead adc.
Telling someone whos learning ADC that you can ''kite'' or any of that is 100% bullshit.
You are dead when fighting a team like that. You just have to stall as much time as you can and let your team win it for you.
msk512 votesGotcha, so just shoot out W's?
And I was first pick. :/ I guess I should've went with a safe pick if I'm first but oh well.
Radnar the bold1 votesWhat's tricky is that some Adc's have some peel ability to get away from sticky situations. While you can scan ahead as well as slow, all three of those guys can cut the gap really fast. Rengar has a slow, and can leap from bushes, Talon and Jax can both jump to you as well. Ashe relies on her support/tank early on to gain some feed. Once she is powerfule nough, she can roam with someone else and pick off champs.
msk511 votesOkay, I'll be sure to do that. :) Thanks so much man! I really appreciate the tips.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesAshe is tricky, because she has low outplay potential. I use to play her a ton. Mostly, it is about where you position in fights, stay with your tanks and support at ALL times in that situation. if you don't trust your team, then save your ult and flash and heal for escapes. Also consider a GA as even if they instagib you, it gives you a second chance at life.
msk511 votesOkay! Sounds great, one more question though, if your team has no tanks, then what do you do?
TequilaZombie1 votesCry a lot.
In more seriousness, stick to a good peeling support. In the odd case that their team had 3 adc raping champions and your team had no Tank or Peeling support while you played a team reliant ADC, you simply got hard countered to hell.
Situations like that should try to be avoided while in champion select. My go to options for cases like those are Sivir and Kennen. If I feel like I'm going to be focused by 1 or 2 champions (for example, Talon + Jax), Sivir is usually enough with her Spell Shield and Ult. She can also hit the backline while attacking the frontliners thx to her bouncing AA, being allowed to play a bit more safe while doing her job. In the case of a double assassin or 3+ champions made to take me down (ex.: Jax top, Rengar jg, Kat mid), I'd go with Kennen. His E gives him lots of mobility and extra armor and MR, he can double stun most targets (depending on the build, triple stuns are possible), allowing him to either fight back or run away. Imo, he has the best self peel in the game.
Shadòw1 votesdon't die
Bultz1 votesYou do nothing, they're all Assassin, their role is to kill the adc. Your only chance is to depend on your team and stay away from fighting alone.
AdeBug1 votesI'm not the best at Ashe by far but from what I see on probuilds.net and from my exp, you rarely get to carry as her, aka get most kills, so try to not be frontline, but safely peel for others, let yourself be carried, it's ok. And if you're not fed, take someone with you while roaming, as another comment stated. I myself go attack speed, this way her basic doing the slows, you can run and still throw a few basics and W, but yea she's really squishy so don't roam too much alone, unless you have your ult @ready.
msk511 votesOkay! And I like attack speed as well, but I found myself only going for runaans and greaves for attack speed. I found that those two items are more than enough to hand out tons of slows and damage. How many attack speed items do you build? I know the downside for my build is I dont proc my Q as fast...
AdeBug1 votesI actually get essence reaver before runaans for the cd, to spam that W ^^, then runaans. There's also phantom dancer for more attack speed, but I get that rly late game. You can try bloodthirster for life steal, I also get infinity edge, but u can prolly get better combos on probuilds.net like I said.
EDIT: get attack speed quints, too
the weeaboo1 votes
You are Ashe the anti-assassin just kite and keep surrounding brush warded...
TheLightBringer1 votesIn such case you really want to have 
on you, as well as 
from either you or your teammates to deny both 
.
Stick to your teammates, specifically support. (
would be the best in such case), ironically 
on some ally could help you survive, and if you really really still cant survive even with all the itemization so far, I'd consider some health-armor item as by what you said their team is full ad (considering they have traditional bot lane)
Ask your teammates to help you survive in teamfights.
Put wards around your location, either when alone or in team fights so you'll see when Rengar is using his ult, and when he does - stick to each other and back away, and you denied his ultimate as long as you don't let him engage. You should use your E often for that purpose as well, specifically on his jungle camps.
You must position really well, never be alone, and never be caught near bushes or places with no vision.
Other than that, keep a good amount of distance from jax, especially if you're unsure about his 
being available or not, or if he has 
.
theonlyaustin1 votesIts honestly semi hard, You need the right support with you to block the Talon and Rengar skill shots and somebody to mitigate the Jax dmg when he jumps on you. Somebody like a Braum and/or a Alistar would be best. Next you have an extremely small window to use the ashe Ult when they jump on you to keep your distance from them. Hanging back and waiting for your peel to come to you is honestly some of the best things you can do.
Aptest1 votesyour job is to position such that they have to go through someone that can kill them before they can get to try and kill you, or next to someone that can outright disable them for however long it takes you to DPS them down.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votespart of the problem is that they have powerspikes at times when bad teammates want to dive carries and leave you unpeeled.
Yellow ping and tell such people to go fuck themselves politely so you can survive until endgame unless you really think the fight is worth it
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesyes. i have the answer
in that order.
good luck.
GULAG 4 U1 votesNothing. Do not pick ashe against an assassin.
