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What is the longevity of League?

msk51··5 votes·3,428 views

Honestly, I've heard from some pros that League of Legends is going to become the newest sport and be here for hundreds of years. Then I heard doublelift say that League won't be around for 100 years.

Honest thoughts, what is the longevity of League Esports?

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Kal Vas Flam2 votes

MOBA games have transformed online gaming and esports in particular. LoL as a title is very much like how MLB is to other sports. It won't be the only title, but it will be a mainstay for a very long time. If you're worried about your monetary investment into the game not being worth anything in a few years, don't, this game is going to be thriving for a very long time. I doubt they'll even make many updates to graphics and such, and if they do it will be for beautification more than anything. This is a sport now, and those kind of things don't simply drift off into the night.

msk511 votes

Very true!! I really hope League stays in the Esports scene for a long time. It'd be awesome to see 10-15 years from now what it'll look like. Ya think they'll ever build their own stadiums?

Linna Excel2 votes

Hard to say. I'd say LOL dies sooner rather than later in a few scenarios:

  1. A moba killer in another genre comes out
  2. A better moba comes out (better map and flow) and all the fans go to it
  3. A combination of self-inflicted wounds and other games chipping away at the user base kill it

If those things don't happen, it could last for awhile, but it's still hard to say. I'd expect that in 5 years from now, the user-base will be cut in half if LOL follows the MMO trend (it doesn't have to though) but even at 50 million players it'll survive.

Pippen The Short1 votes

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Hard to say. I'd say LOL dies sooner rather than later in a few scenarios:

  1. A moba killer in another genre comes out
  2. A better moba comes out (better map and flow) and all the fans go to it
  3. A combination of self-inflicted wounds and other games chipping away at the user base kill it

If those things don't happen, it could last for awhile, but it's still hard to say. I'd expect that in 5 years from now, the user-base will be cut in half if LOL follows the MMO trend (it doesn't have to though) but even at 50 million players it'll survive.

I really would emphasize that 3rd point.

I think League as a game itself will be around for awhile especially as there continue to he new Champs, ping latency issues are solved, fun game modes are made that keep players interested, etc but as an Esport I'm not so sure it lasts longer than 10 years.

Riot needs to build an effective Amateur to pros structure, allow for players/Houses to unionize, and opt-in with a 3rd party organization for disputes. If it can do these 3 things quickly and display some wits that show signs of longevity it could attract the necessary sponsorships, TV deals, and structure to move away from a player supported sport to a viewer supported sport. Which really should be the goal, because player supported Esports will continue to live and die with its popularity with players. Which as time goes on and new games come out this will become an ever increasingly difficult task to accomplish.

msk511 votes

Right! I think Lol esports does need a little more structure and some basic needs for every sport. I think they are starting to go down the right way, slowly but surely.

msk511 votes

I definitely hear you on your third point. I honestly think that is the biggest concern for Riot, especially since they can't control the first two.

Linna Excel1 votes

Well, I based 3 off of what's happened to WoW. I mean WoW is still in a great place as far as MMOs go, but it's not as popular as it used to be.

DrCyanide2 votes

I feel like unless Riot makes some serious changes to how they approach new seasons and distribute information League won't make it to the 25 year mark.

You can see it right now. What's the best advice you can tell someone who hasn't played since Season 3? You tell them to treat it like a brand new game, despite them only taking a 3-4 year break. Between all of the Jungle changes, the class reworks, the champion reworks, the new champions, it's easier to tell them to assume everything changed than to tell them key things they need to know.

Lets assume that our player who disappeared in Season 3 and came back wanted to watch the World Finals. What do they have to catch up on?

  • Reworks and Mini-reworks
  • Poppy Ryze Cassiopeia Viktor Caitlyn Zyra Ashe (possibly Trundle depending on when you left)
  • New Champions
  • Jhin Gnar Kindred AurelionSol TahmKench Braum
  • New Items
  • Trinkets item 3340 item 3363 item 3341 item 3364
  • Items that are restricted to having Smite item 1401 item 1410 item 1412
  • Items that have very different effects from what existed when you played item 3147 item 1083 item 3152 item 3512
  • New mechanics
  • There are Wards you can't TP to item 3363
  • Supports can share CS item 3097
  • summoner 7 no longer heals everyone, but gives a movement speed boost
  • There's a crab in the river that turns into a ward
  • There's a new monster in Baron's pit that no one cares about
  • There's different dragons
  • Depending on when you left, players being capped to three wards might be new

Note this isn't an exhaustive list, this is only what showed up in the Best of 5 that ended Worlds (limited by my own knowledge of what's changed). There's nothing about meta in there, and honestly, it's a bit overwhelming.

#You might as well be watching a different MOBA, and that's the problem.

When the only thing that stays the same is that there are champions, they attack towers, they attack inhibitors, and they destroy the base to win the game, then it makes no difference if you're watching the League of Legends Worlds Finals, DOTA, Paragon, Heros of the Storm, Vain Glory, or any other MOBA for that matter. You'd have to re-figure out enough that you might as well be watching a MOBA you've never played before.

TL;DR: League, particularly competitive League, only appeals to those who are actively keeping up with it. Too many things that effect decision making and team fights change for it to be any more interesting than any other MOBA for those who aren't keeping up. As such, League's eSports potential audience is capped at whatever its current player base is at the time.

The Lexer5 votes

I think in the event League doesn't change at all, people will get bored and it will die even faster

DrCyanide1 votes

Agreed, but I feel like there has to be a faster way for people to get caught back up.

Riot's talked about people greeting up with League the same way others grow up with baseball or other sports. Can you imagine if you took a 3 year break from baseball and you had to read a 144 page booklet to find out what all changed while you were gone? That's what Leagues currently like, and I just can't see it being a game passed on from father to son of the father can't get back into the game on a moment's notice.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

I dont know, if they manage to transfer league into new technologies, and by that I mostly mean to transfer it into visual reality I can see league lasting really really long, without it perhaps it will last 10 more years maybe 15 max.

msk511 votes

Gotcha, yeah I agree. It'll have to go through some drastic changes for it to last long.

Kal Vas Flam1 votes

You're hyping up virtual reality too much IMO. I know it's all the rage right now by tech media and such, but it will never be anything more than an industrial application and niche gaming platform. Augmented reality on the other hand is going to change the world as we know it (but screen games like LoL will still be thriving IMO). Smart home technology is really what you should be excited about - along with augmented reality it is going to change your everyday life in ways you can't even comprehend right now.

B00B001 votes

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I dont know, if they manage to transfer league into new technologies, and by that I mostly mean to transfer it into visual reality I can see league lasting really really long, without it perhaps it will last 10 more years maybe 15 max.

VR is not going to be the be all and end all, a lot will not like it due to motion sickness and such

Dabrick011 votes

It can last as long as the game does not get too big. I'm afraid that the champ roster will get way too massive where they have to limit the champs available to people. Almost like unlocking a champ. I feel like as long as they keep the current players happy through reworks and new champs as well as catering a bit to new players, the game can last as long as it needs to.

msk511 votes

True, Riot has said they are looking at a champ limit though, hopefully it'll be the right, healthy number.

Dabrick011 votes

Yeah. I feel like if the limit the # of Champs, we will end up running out of reworks to do and Rito may replace champs with new ones which no one will like.

msk511 votes

Haha, true.... I think they'll be smart about it. I hope....

Dukues1 votes

idk I was thinking maybe like 5-10 more years...... I doubt it will last close to 100, although that would be pretty cool.

msk511 votes

That would be awesome, how drastically League esports would have changed in 100 years....

hotarse1 votes

I see league and esports both currently being on an upward trajectory. The latter will probably overtake traditional sport in 30 years or so. League could be the prime esport then too, if Riot makes smart choices. So far for every good choice they've made, I can also list a really poor choice. But at the moment, I'd say they're definitely still in the pole position in terms of viewership and standard of broadcast. Sure, DotA does it really good too, but their game just isn't as accessible to casual esport fans.

Dabrick011 votes

I think league will overtake every other Esport out there, but I don't believe it will overtake Traditional Sports as a whole. I wish it would, but there is such a massive following that it may not be possible.

hotarse1 votes

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I think league will overtake every other Esport out there, but I don't believe it will overtake Traditional Sports as a whole. I wish it would, but there is such a massive following that it may not be possible.

You could be right in that, but were in a different age, and millennials and forward will have much more exposure to esports vs. traditional sports and I can see a scenario where esports overtakes traditional sports because of this. Like it's been mentioned, playing games on your computer is much more accessible and convenient than playing traditional sports. It's got a broader appeal in today's day and age. Esports is the future, and there are many indicators pointing in that direction.

msk511 votes

I think it depends entirely on one thing, and that's if the watchers of Esports today stay with it and introduce it to their kids. If this happens and kids grow up watching esports with their family every saturday, then I can very easily see Esports taking over traditional sports in the next generation.

TBakes1 votes

I imagine it will last several more years. Riot could develop a new game by then that would be even better. Esports as a whole should grow and last a much longer time and overtake traditional sports at some point. However, I think it will more or less fuse into less distinct "sports" and "esports". Imagine an augmented reality football or basketball. A virtual baseball of a sort.

I also expect transhumanism to seep in, too. Imagine a golfer who has a robotic right arm that they elected to have amputated to drive the ball 1000s of yards. Or boxers who have been genetically altered to have 4 arms instead of 2. This is the future of traditional sports in my opinion. The possibilities are endless!

msk512 votes

Transhumanism!!!! Dang!! That'd be really crazy but exciting!

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

i think its possible for the game to last. 100 years. but unlikely. imma go with 25 years. eventually with enough patches the game will eventually look nothing like today's league while it might have the same name on it doesn't mean its not a new game

msk511 votes

Yeah, 100 years is a SUPER long time...

ToBeSomebody1 votes

The problem with League as a sport is that unlike other sports, it has competition.

In some ways every other sport competes with one another, but there's no 'Neo-Baseball' sport coming out anytime soon. Baseball is baseball and it will be popular as long as people want to watch it because there's not another baseball (or football or whatever).

League lives in a market where there are new exciting things everyday, and they have to strive to remain relevant and exciting--a pressure that traditional sports do not have.

With that said League does already have a very good position within the e-sports scene, and thanks to this and the effect that popularity has on things generally staying popular, I think it has a good long life ahead of it. Just don't be surprised if it's not around in 20 years or so.

msk511 votes

I absolutely agree. Here's a thought, I've heard some people saying that we need a unified gaming league where one league controls esports for all games, and I've heard some people argue that each individual company should control their games esports. What is your stance on this?

ToBeSomebody1 votes

I meant to mention something on a gaming league but I cut it short because that's a whirlwind of a conversation, and one that I'm certainly not informed enough to comment on with any real confidence.

I can say this: If anyone (Riot or players or U.S. Regulations or whomever) wants League to last as a sport, 'e-sports' as a thing needs to be regulated and monitored by a league. In a way, Riot Games acts as a sort of 'league' over League of Legends and monopolizes a lot of the 'market' on their own players and teams. The recent spat between Reginald and Marc Merril shed light on a lot of issues that are created by the LCS system and how players are generally undervalued unless they're world-class talent (which is pretty much only Korea right now). It helped to break the illusion that Riot is by any means prepared to do this properly and simply does not have the experience, time or resources to dedicate (right now, anyway) to getting this right. That's why you see a lot of very, very good players who refuse to play on teams and make substantially-more money through things like streaming and boosting.

None of this touches upon the fact that League of Legends is a product, owned by a company. It's Riot's creation and nobody else's. How do you regulate that? How can you? If you strip it away from Riot and make it into a regulated sport, what does Riot get out of the deal? Imagine if you made a fun and fancy toy that everyone started enjoying and suddenly Uncle Sam stole it from you and said it belonged to him. Sports leagues are conglomerations of large enterprises, corporations and brands that all operate around a sport that already exists and doesn't belong to anyone. Regulating League in the same way is nearly impossible and a a logistics nightmare. You can't just consider Brandon Beck and Marc Merril at the top of the food chain being selfish and not wanting to give up their baby; you have to think about all of the people that Riot employs, are partnered with, are affiliated with, the products they own that are produced through manufacturers, their licensing and copyright agreements, the list can go on for a long, long time.

E-sports and its future is unfathomably bigger than League of Legends alone, and it's so, so young right now. The way I see it, we may be lucky and League of Legends may be around when it comes time to crown a single MOBA king and declare it our official e-sport MOBA, but I believe we will end up looking back on League with fond memories of how it pioneered the changes put in place as we crown some new, fancy MOBA instead.

Pippen The Short1 votes

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I absolutely agree. Here's a thought, I've heard some people saying that we need a unified gaming league where one league controls esports for all games, and I've heard some people argue that each individual company should control their games esports. What is your stance on this?

It could go either way, however, Riot is so controlling that there exists the potential that they will strangle their Esports scene because of things like the Renegades/Misfits stuff that went down early this year. Riot also keeps a lot of outside interest away because they want the game, the "advertisements", etc to revolve around League of Legends.

A third party organization that offered equal seats at the table for Developers, tournament organizations, Game Houses, and Players represented by a Union, is absolutely going to be necessary if we want to see an specific Esport live longer than 10 years as a staple of the market. This organization could ultimately be the collective bargaining tool that gets Esports on TV in a regualr way.

Talisid1 votes

Dude people are still playing competitive Super Street Fighter 2: Turbo. That game is 22 years old and has a player base of maybe a few thousand.

LoL has millions of players. It probably won't be the #1 Esport for forever, you can say its already lost that spot in some people's opinions, but I have a hard time imagining a world in which a game that is this popular will die completely.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I mean, SSBM is 15 years old this month and it's the second biggest thing at Evo despite many FGC people hating Smash.

HeeroTX1 votes

Biggest difference (for now), as it stands you can play SF2 (any variant) or SSB or ANY arcade/console game locally. If Riot somehow went under (or for whatever reason stops running the servers) you can't play League. That's why MMOs disappear despite games from the 70s still being around. (Like this: http://donkeykongblog.blogspot.com/2013/03/donkey-kong-tournament-this-saturday.html )

HeeroTX1 votes

If they want League to get REALLY big (and endure) then they need to either work out the whole College League or else develop other "local" divisions. If the only teams of note are all in CA, then the only way (outside of Worlds) to see it live as in CA. And as big as CA is, if you need to go there to see pro matches live, then that will stunt growth. You need to get people to really support "their team", rather than just (at best) "their player(s)". Right now when players "retire" you always risk losing that player's fans. If you tie the fans to the TEAM then the support will endure.

But right now, the only real differentiator is team logos and player personalities. If Sneaky quit league and spent all his time streaming Overwatch (or something) how many fans would League lose? Not saying it's a HUGE number, but I'd bet its a lot more (as a percentage) than the NFL lost when Peyton Manning retired.

FableBlaze1 votes

I am one of the few ones who actually feels that League has peaked or nearly peaked.

It's because whenever i watch streamers or e-sports events, then the number of viewers seems to be roughly the same as it was three years ago. It just feels like league isn't growing anymore.

BigBellBrute1 votes

I don't think it's going away immediately. But I doubt it lasts 25 years in its current form.

ƒoes1 votes

It's unlikely it will last around 100 years, however video games as a whole haven't been around that long so it's really an estimate. Games such as chess, however, have lasted for centuries and still people do not get tired of it. League of Legends and Chess are somewhat similar but also different.

League of Legends is an ever-changing game, which means that over time, it will eventually shift into a completely different game (reworks, additions and removals, etc.) with a constant genre. Chess, however, has always been and always will be the same game, yet somehow it still attracts a relatively large audience.

Chess is a game that also does not require any cognitive skills or fine-motor control of the muscles - you only have to move glorified wooden blocks over other wooden blocks, essentially. League of Legends is a much more complex game so you really have to be trained in a lot of different aspects of it (mechanical, awareness, etc.) to be remotely decent at it. This difference in playstyle ultimately decides what will succeed - with Chess having a low-complexity playstyle, it becomes easier for young children to be introduced to early, whereas in League of Legends, you have to be constantly aware to have fun.

You also have to keep in mind that over the course of 100 years, a company can switch CEO's several times due to retirement or death, and with some companies that completely changes the major product the company is selling. Take for example, Apple, the company that invented the Macintosh, the iPod, MacBook, etc.. After Steve Jobs passed, many argue that the quality of Apple products went downhill quickly. His passing meant that a new CEO had to take over, who would make decisions for the company and the likes, which changed the way the products were sold or manufactured.

While they both train the player in one way or another, Chess is simply a much better gateway into gaming than League of Legends. So will League last over 100 years? It's possible, but with how much money Marc Merill is making he may retire at one point or another, and if he doesn't, he'll spend his last days working. Either way, there will be a new CEO to take over and make decisions for the future of the company and League of Legends.

Sorry it had to end on a sour note, but that's just the way it is, and unfortunately we have to deal with it.

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