Honestly Fizz

stealthfox94··3 votes·230 views

He's actually pretty weak right now.

8 Comments

1 800 MID LANE5 votes

Fizz is relatively balanced right now. A lot of the others are just much stronger in this meta.

But I don't think anyone really misses going against that thing anyway. He wasn't really "broken," but annoying to the point of tilting you just by being in lane with him. Kinda like Yasuo.

mogonk1 votes

He's actually one of the strongest mids in the game right now.

Not top 5, but top 10 for sure.

ValyrianBlade5 votes

Well, 16th. http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Middle

But w/e.

He's a very weird champion. He can feel oppressive because if he gets ahead, he has everything to get in, kill every squishy on your team, and get out alive. His untargetability is up WAY too frequently and it just feels like garbage playing against him when he's able to 100-0 people that are doing okay themselves.

At the same time, he's really weak when it comes to anything outside of fighting. He's terrible at sieging turrets (no poke). He's terrible at defending turrets (no waveclear). He's terrible in coordinated teamfights (dies quickly to hard cc).

I literally just had a game with an allied Fizz. Roughly even. We got a mid-late game ace and took Baron. We literally took nothing for the entirety of the Baron buff. The enemy Lux was more than capable of denying our siege attempts, and the enemy Mundo had no problems preventing Fizz or Rengar from split pushing. Of course it wasn't only Fizz (I still don't understand why our Kog'maw was staying so far back and not attacking the inhibitor turret at least a handful of times each wave as I was standing in front of him), but in general most other mid laners could have made a lot more of an impact with Baron. And could have made more of an impact once the enemy team turned it and started trying to take our inhibitors (fizz can't defend worth anything).

There's costs and benefits to everyone. Fizz has a lot of very apparent power, but also some not so obvious weaknesses that people don't really appreciate. Of course, his level of annoying-ness should be addressed...

mogonk1 votes

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Well, 16th. http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Middle

Winrate really isn't everything. I'd rather pay attention to the opinions of challenger players than just look at statistics in a vacuum.

Pants has Fizz at #6 last I checked.

ValyrianBlade3 votes

Are you a challenger player?

If not, then you shouldn't be putting everything on their opinions...

A challenger player can do a lot more with Fizz than your average silver (or even platinum) player can do.

What is good and works in one elo doesn't necessarily translate to all. Especially when talking about challenger, which is what, 0.01% of the playerbase?

mogonk1 votes

{quoted}

Are you a challenger player?

If not, then you shouldn't be putting everything on their opinions...

A challenger player can do a lot more with Fizz than your average silver (or even platinum) player can do.

What is good and works in one elo doesn't necessarily translate to all. Especially when talking about challenger, which is what, 0.01% of the playerbase?

If a champ has a high winrate in challenger, but seems weak to bronze players, is that champion weak?

NO.

Did you read the post? OP said that Fizz is weak right now. And that's not true. End of fucking story.

ValyrianBlade2 votes

Winrate really isn't everything. I'd rather pay attention to the opinions of challenger players than just look at statistics in a vacuum.

Pants has Fizz at #6 last I checked.

Did you read the post? OP said that Fizz is weak right now. And that's not true. End of fucking story.

If that last post is what you're looking for, then your prior post was wrong... You tried to argue my point, failed, and now are going back to something you already passed.

It doesn't work like that :P

I wrote out a fairly solid layout of Fizz's strengths and weaknesses. Obviously I don't think he's weak or OP. He's also not one of the strongest mids in the game right now like you claimed.

OP being "wrong" doesn't make you any less wrong.

Lugg1 votes

Fizz is definitely not weak. He never has been. It may seem that way due to so many champs being broken.

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