Riot a starting point for properly nerfing marksmen as a whole

Irelia Bot··10 votes·663 views

Nerfing crit chance and buffing attack speed on zeal and zeal items.

Yes this is a request to partly revert a rather drastic change in preseason to several items.

Make Zeal be 15% crit chance and 20% attack speed for 1300 and most will be fine with this change.

Make Rapid fire and Shiv have 5% less crit chance but 5% more attack speed. (no cost change since they will still be considered good and often bought for their ENERGIZED STRIKE passives)

Phantom dancer would be fine as is with 45% attack speed and 30% crit chance. this would return it to being the best crit build option of the three crit zeal ADC items like it was last season. Perhaps make it cost as much as the other 2 crit focused Zeal items.

Last of all return trinity to 30% attack speed reduce the crit chance to 15%. For it supposedly not being an item that is only good on marksmen it sure feels rather meh after the changes with the 15% attack speed. Yes this is part of the reason why rage blade is being bought by Irelia and Jax. Rageblade offeres more damage (when fully stacked) for 1000 less gold and the attack speed is so much more rewarding with the on hit damage in their kits then a chance to do double AD damage.

Mistakes will be made in major balance changes. The problem riot is that you are trying to fix everything around the mistake instead if the initial mistake. It is a lot easier and faster to turn the heat down on the stove then engineer a spacier to suspend the pot the right distance over the burner.

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Masala Chai3 votes

Champions that will suffer from above changes that are not ADCs Yasuo Gangplank Crit Fiora Tryndamere

etc. I support changes, because those champions are really broken (Fiora), very anti-fun (Fiora, Yasuo, and Trynd). Give GP a compen buff though.

shyv4 votes

i support anything that makes fiora suffer

Masala Chai2 votes

tbh I agree. She's way too overtuned and she's basically my little slice of freelo. <3. Keep in mind though that this is Crit Fiora, aka 4 damage items, 1 defensive + boots item 3074 item 3078 item 3031 item 3072 item 3158 + defensive and not the Tank Fiora abomination that is Titanic Hydra Bloodthirster and then straight tank.

agbudar1 votes

most of those are on the strong side as it is

weeaboomer2 votes

What was the intention behind the item changes in the first place? Bring more diversity on ADCs than rush bf sword? I don't see any difference....

I agree with you though, specially about triforce. Isn't corki the only one building it now?

Irelia Bot1 votes

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What was the intention behind the item changes in the first place? Bring more diversity on ADCs than rush bf sword? I don't see any difference....

I agree with you though, specially about triforce. Isn't corki the only one building it now?

I don't even know if Corki builds it anymore it is in just that sad of shape.

I guess it was to try and diversify ADC builds a bit and it in some ways worked but at the expense of overall game balance.

Bodkins Odds1 votes

They didn't want anything to have less than 20% crit because less than that makes the RNG more random. So if item 3086 has to have 20% then the items it builds into have to have 30, except item 3078 . They nerfed item 3078 because it was very gold effecient and they were nerfing gold efficiency in general. Also, both Corki & Irelia still build it. I'm sure there are more.

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