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So.....bs champs, your thoughts?

Glîtchy··3 votes·1,151 views

Katarina Fizz Riven Veigar and MasterYi just to name a few, how do you feel about the champs who take little skill but reward you insanely high for just smashing your face on the keyboard? personally this is what I think should be done to each of them.

Katarina and Riven: quite honestly they need something other than just cooldown to hold them back, they do tons of damage but don't face any limitations outside of cooldown time, well except Katarina who really is just a bitch who gets cooldown refunded for at least getting an assist, while Riven can still deal stupid amounts where one of the hydra items are her only bit of offense built.

Fizz his E (dodge) really should be dealt with, either less damage or no CDR for the ability at least.

MasterYi do I really have to answer? well ok I guess I really do, his Q is too rewarding as it deals tons of damage while making him untargetable, while the cooldown is super low.

Veigar yes I know I have mastery 7 on him but hear me out, his passive seems WAY too rewarding now that he has to AT LEAST hit a champ with his stun/damage, meaning he can stack up tons of AP with even less effort than before.

your guys' thoughts?

34 Comments

Jamaree2 votes

Good example on why low elo shouldn't be considered when it comes to balance.

Glîtchy2 votes

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Good example on why low elo shouldn't be considered when it comes to balance.

Oi, I'm just stating things as they are, Katarina doesn't even have a lane counter, only jg/top counters in Naut and Cho

Jamaree1 votes

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Oi, I'm just stating things as they are, Katarina doesn't even have a lane counter, only jg/top counters in Naut and Cho

So...take Naut or Cho mid then, what?

You just said her counters...then aren't going to take her counters into her...why?

Wacky92 votes

Low elo should be considered because the vast majority of players are low elo. Riot can't just let low elo suffer from champions that require Challenger-skill to outplay. On the other hand, this person has no idea how to counterplay Veigar or Kat, neither of which are super OP right now.

Jamaree2 votes

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Low elo should be considered because the vast majority of players are low elo. Riot can't just let low elo suffer from champions that require Challenger-skill to outplay. On the other hand, this person has no idea how to counterplay Veigar or Kat, neither of which are super OP right now.

When most of said low rank elo players post are like this, why should they?

Wacky91 votes

Ignore the actual low elo players (for instance ignore whatever shit I say about the game because I haven't placed Ranked for a while) but keep in mind that some champs Yasuo require quite a bit of skill to outplay and Rito telling Silver players "Git Gud" isn't really helpful.

Jamaree1 votes

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Ignore the actual low elo players (for instance ignore whatever shit I say about the game because I haven't placed Ranked for a while) but keep in mind that some champs Yasuo require quite a bit of skill to outplay and Rito telling Silver players "Git Gud" isn't really helpful.

Did you know, that the only play Yasou has a win rate over 50% is Bronze at 51%, the higher you go, the more his win rate drops. What other advice do people want, because when people give ACTUALLY advice it is always "But he shits on mages too hard." "Play a non mage against him." "YOU CAN'T DO THAT!?!?!?!?!?!?" or "He can't be beat, you can't beat a good Yasou, if he loses, he is just a bad Yasou."

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Yasuo/

Best part about this QQ, probably like 90% of the people complaining about him have likely NEVER played him to actually test this theory of him being so OP.

Wacky91 votes

That's kinda my point. High skill champs that require equally high skill to outplay can feel oppressive in low elo, because you know, Bronze and Silver just aren't that good, but suck in high elo because Yasuo isn't really that good unless you don't know how to beat him. Random question: does Zoe ult penetrate windwall?

Endai1 votes

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Low elo should be considered because the vast majority of players are low elo. Riot can't just let low elo suffer from champions that require Challenger-skill to outplay. On the other hand, this person has no idea how to counterplay Veigar or Kat, neither of which are super OP right now.

Okay lets say me, you, OP and two randoms are a team. The two randoms have no idea how to deal with Kat, she roams early bot for a kill and assist. Post 6 she roams bot again, this time when their jungle is down there. She cleans up with ult for an easy 4/1/1 lead. How do you deal with Kat now? I bet a real Kat man would roll your face in, I'm sorry.

Glîtchy1 votes

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Okay lets say me, you, OP and two randoms are a team. The two randoms have no idea how to deal with Kat, she roams early bot for a kill and assist. Post 6 she roams bot again, this time when their jungle is down there. She cleans up with ult for an easy 4/1/1 lead. How do you deal with Kat now? I bet a real Kat man would roll your face in, I'm sorry.

Don't all Kats do that already? Remember healthy design and balance are 2 different things, she's got no limitations outside of cooldown (which is really non-existent mid game and onward) with insane burst and mobility

Slythion2 votes

How can you make a post about unhealthy/unfun/bs champions and forget to include the newest, latest, and queen of them all?

Of course I'm talking about Zoe btw

Glîtchy3 votes

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How can you make a post about unhealthy/unfun/bs champions and forget to include the newest, latest, and queen of them all?

Of course I'm talking about Zoe btw

fun fact: the guy who designed Yasuo's kit designed her kit, which would answer why you feel golf ball -sized tumors growing on your back when playing as/with/against her

Jamaree2 votes

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fun fact: the guy who designed Yasuo's kit designed her kit, which would answer why you feel golf ball -sized tumors growing on your back when playing as/with/against her

Oh look, another champion people blow out of proportion and who has a subpar win rate in everything EXCEPT Diamond.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Zoe/

Glîtchy2 votes

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Oh look, another champion people blow out of proportion and who has a subpar win rate in everything EXCEPT Diamond.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Zoe/

Oh look, someone who can't take a joke.

Jamaree1 votes

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Oh look, someone who can't take a joke.

Kind of hard to tell what is a joke or not through typing.

DrCyanide2 votes

A champion doesn't have to win the game for their team to make the game miserable to play.

Slythion1 votes

oh look, another person with no idea that champion health/design isn't the same as champion balance! You're comment and it's counterargument are irrelevant to this conversation

Slythion1 votes

I'm well aware of CertainlyT and his work unfortunately

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Astorine2 votes

Oh no mate, you cant have an opinion around here. d()WnV0teD instead of responding to the question.

  1. Honestly i just hate a few especially hard:Galio Darius Illaoi MasterYi Kayle Pyke Quinn Urgot Quinn Yasuo Zoe Vayne Talon Teemo Quinn Quinn Plus peeps ignore that you said bs, not op. They are not the exact same.
Glîtchy1 votes

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Oh no mate, you cant have an opinion around here. d()WnV0teD instead of responding to the question.

  1. Honestly i just hate a few especially hard:Galio Darius Illaoi MasterYi Kayle Pyke Quinn Urgot Quinn Yasuo Zoe Vayne Talon Teemo Quinn Quinn Plus peeps ignore that you said bs, not op. They are not the exact same.

Ikr note how I didn't say OP, besides bs could literally just be "easy af to play"

Astorine1 votes

Quinn ?

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

I notice that you dislike Quinn.

Glîtchy2 votes

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I notice that you dislike Quinn.

I understand the dislike, the dash + blind abuse does get old INCREDIBLY fast

Astorine1 votes

Kinda...

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

champs who take little skill

for just smashing your face on the keyboard

Then why the frick did you include Riven ?

Glîtchy1 votes

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Then why the frick did you include Riven ?

cause you can literally kill anyone by just Q + R spamming, andh she has no resource to hold her back, which MANY champs have to deal with, most who don't deal with mana/energy/HP drain are relatively balanced, like Renekton and Rumble

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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cause you can literally kill anyone by just Q + R spamming, andh she has no resource to hold her back, which MANY champs have to deal with, most who don't deal with mana/energy/HP drain are relatively balanced, like Renekton and Rumble

ANY champion can kill someone by spamming Q + R.

Don't falsely blame Riven for something that everyone else can also do.

Glîtchy1 votes

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ANY champion can kill someone by spamming Q + R.

Don't falsely blame Riven for something that everyone else can also do.

She has short af cooldowns and no mana/energy/HP to pay for use

Meaning she does it all around better

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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She has short af cooldowns and no mana/energy/HP to pay for use

Meaning she does it all around better

So has Garen but I don't see you calling him a "bs" champ.

Glîtchy1 votes

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So has Garen but I don't see you calling him a "bs" champ.

Actually I forgot about him, but he is bs solely because of his built in cleaver

Jamaree1 votes

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cause you can literally kill anyone by just Q + R spamming, andh she has no resource to hold her back, which MANY champs have to deal with, most who don't deal with mana/energy/HP drain are relatively balanced, like Renekton and Rumble

You think Renekton and Rumble are more balanced then Riven, really?

Glîtchy1 votes

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You think Renekton and Rumble are more balanced then Riven, really?

Literally if they nerf renek, he's too weak, if they buff him, he's too strong, seems like a good spot to keep him atm, and Rumble ends up in silence if he carries on flamethrower for too long.

P4ppino1 votes

Kata and riven are quite difficult though.

Glîtchy1 votes

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Kata and riven are quite difficult though.

Yes..... say that to my first ever katarina match where I went 15/1/24

Or my first Riven game where I went 20/3/14 yes totally difficult when I literally just Q + R spam as Riven and face roll my keyboard with Kat

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