Can Fiora finally lose her true damage and the stun on W?

Ragnaveil·May 3, 2019·4 votes·1,124 views

Kinda feels like you dont exist when if you just accidentally stun her, she stuns you back and kills you from 100% to 0 with a metricfuckton of true damage. Also for anyone who says grievous wounds like Bramble counters her, look again. Her passive practically heals her before wounds kicks in. I'd rather have her passive when proced give her health over time, and deal bonus physical. Ult becomes physical damage too. She should not be given all this shit for free, just creates a cancer experience like melees have vs ranged in top.

14 Comments

Sir SaltarinMay 3, 20194 votes

Can Sylas finally lose his heal and the knockup of his E ?

OleandervineMay 3, 20192 votes

Fiora doesn't deal true damage with W. She deals Magic Damage. And no, the stun should not be removed. Of all the abilities in her kit, Riposte is probably the most accurate in terms of real world riposting, as you can easily incapacitate enemies you properly parry.

zAntiM8May 3, 20194 votes

He asked for the removal of her w stun and the true damage in her kit.

This is like removing Veigar's stacking and the execute damage on his ultimate. PepeLaugh

OleandervineMay 3, 20191 votes

Technically, we're both correct because of the vague way that the OP has phrased his statements.

RagnaveilMay 3, 20192 votes

At least Veigar's you can itemize against. Fiora lacks any counterplay in terms of itemization.

Sir SaltarinMay 4, 20194 votes

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The thigh guyMay 4, 20192 votes

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That still let’s her reach 108% max hp true damage.

Weiner the PoohMay 4, 20193 votes

Heres the difference, Veigar is ranged with AOE, Fiora is melee with all single target and a difficult to pull of passive, especially in team fights. Veigar presses R, Fiora has to play an entire mini game. Veigar is ranged, Fiora is not. Different characters work differently, weird.

The thigh guyMay 4, 20193 votes

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Heres the difference, Veigar is ranged with AOE, Fiora is melee with all single target and a difficult to pull of passive, especially in team fights. Veigar presses R, Fiora has to play an entire mini game. Veigar is ranged, Fiora is not. Different characters work differently, weird.

Fiora’s mechnics aren’t what I would call difficult. Especially when she has a resetting/ stupid low cd dash that procs the marks.

Weiner the PoohMay 4, 20192 votes

There’s a reason Fioras win rate is low until people have a lot of games played. Just because you don’t think she’s difficult doesn’t make it so.

The thigh guyMay 4, 20191 votes

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There’s a reason Fioras win rate is low until people have a lot of games played. Just because you don’t think she’s difficult doesn’t make it so.

Okay? And I can argue the polar opposite with riven?

RagnaveilMay 4, 20191 votes

Idk, its almost like there's so much bullshit forced on her kit it causes her winrate to tank.

5or6storesMay 4, 20191 votes

Well, she's not given all that shit for free. How do you accidentally stun somebody? You can bait out the W or dodge the narrow hitbox if you have a dash. Her passive is basically the definition of counterplayable, you need to stand against a wall or in a direction where she can't proc it for free. If it's right in front of you, just back off for a second and it resets.

Here's really some champs that are given shit for free: Veigar Sylas Vladimir Tryndamere

ChiefDovahkinMay 5, 20191 votes

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Well, she's not given all that shit for free. How do you accidentally stun somebody? You can bait out the W or dodge the narrow hitbox if you have a dash. Her passive is basically the definition of counterplayable, you need to stand against a wall or in a direction where she can't proc it for free. If it's right in front of you, just back off for a second and it resets.

Here's really some champs that are given shit for free:

This comment is straight nonsense. She is too given all that for free, her kit has very few drawbacks other than no tower taking or aoe damage, both of which don't matter during the critical, most cancerous part of her laning phase. Even if you bait the w, what do you do? You can't dps into it and if you do she returns it. It slows like 50%+ since her most recent buff so without a dash you don't run away from it with her q on like a 2 sec cd. You'd think her passive is counterplayable since you can reset the marks and wall hug, but the fact of the matter is if you're wall hugging and she qs to that side, she gets the vital like 95% of the time. The window on them is extremely forgiving in her favor, her ult marks too. "Back off for a second...", Her ult gives her a massive movement speed buff, it's like having ghost for free in addition to her getting mvoement speed from popping marks and again, a 2 sec cd q. Out of the 4 champions you list as a comparison, veig and sylas have way more counterplay than fio and tryndamere is more linear and just easier to play against. Vlad is definitely a whack champ, but bad players can't play him at all whereas bad Fiora's can still effortlessly win lane through just having a remarkably overdamaged sustain kit.