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Can we allow Leona to be a laner?

Cherysse··2 votes·785 views

Particularly the only reason why Leona isn't able to be a lane champ (and just only a support) is because her passive can't be used by her. Solution?: allow her passive to be triggered by Leona herself. How?: If the target has Leo's Passive debuff and receives damage from any other Leona's abilities she will reapply and proc the passive damage herself!

**Why do I ask this?: ** because I have played Leona top, and even when I have been able to beat champs like Illaoi, Shen and others (late and with a good build) champs like Olaf and others will beat your ass, Leona is a champ that isn't able to spam skills on the lane (low base mana and medium costs for her abilities), and therefore you will end up dying and the difference of damage between her and other bruisers is arround 15-20% when used properly, that difference comes from her passive!

How will this change the game for Leona?; you will see her more on the Jungle and in the Top Lane, and for support Leona it only means one thing; maybe, a little bit more of KS.

22 Comments

Boulderox3 votes

to be fair, if you are playing leona top... you shouldn't be too keen on fighting unless the jungler is there. She would be a better gank happy top laner, to shut down laners Nasus or even Riven, providing plenty of lockdown to hold them down and shut them down. Leona is a supporting character, has decent damage when built that way, but tank is her bread and butter... I find it odd you say she has no spam skills, but her combo is burst oriented... meaning with the application pop and reapplication of it means 20-140 damage on 4 abilities....

Cherysse1 votes

Yeap, actually her combo used properly with a Titanic can allow you to land 6 quick AA's and your skills. But it comes to a point where she is so item dependant that it is sick, if you go full tanky your base damage means nothing because she has almost no base damage unless you build AP.

Tikail2 votes

Leona suffers from the old kit malaise. Mana-hungry for moderate damage at best. But at the same time, she offers incredible tankiness and utility in the form of stickiness. While you suggestion is small, it would front-load a ton of power unto her kit.

Onegarion2 votes

I'm not for leo in lane, but think if it only did half damage if she procd it. How would you feel then?

Cherysse1 votes

I would feel excelent, mainly because as a Leona main, when you reapply her passive you are wasting damage.

Tikail1 votes

Honestly I'd feel like they don't want her in lane ever if it procced for half damage. Her proccing it from herself would at best be a cleanup measure as a support whose adc died in the fight but left the enemy low enough to salvage kills.

The only reason OP can even take her top lane is because the current meta is so focused around everything that isn't top lane that it's the one seeing unusual picks.

Ultimately, she would lose an unequal amount of tankiness to give her the extra damage because they can't pull from her stickiness without gutting her almost completely. Her kit is locked down to almost perfect synergy, her identity is clearly defined.

Cherysse1 votes

I dont think so, mainly because adding a bit of damage to her combo shouldn't affect her gameplay, and by adding I mean a damage that -has always been there-, the only difference would be one; that damage will come from her rather than an ally. At worst if she procs her passive by herself for half damage it would end up being like 40 damage early game and 240 damage late game (when procs come from a full combo)... and yes I realize full damage from procs would be op.. But returning to this we have a champ like lux that does almost the same and her passive has an AP scaling (and she builds magic pen), so I dont think it will end up being OP or broken.

PhantomGG1 votes

the real reason leona cant be a laner is for if u ever attempt it, farming with her is a miracelous deed that is beyond hard to accomplish as everyone harrasses you to death.

Cherysse1 votes

Nep, nep, nep, I have played Leona top even as is, and I can harrass other laners with my W (the ability that you should max), actually you are pretty much able to burst down some champs at some times, Ive been able to beat down Riven, Udyr, Shen, Illaoi, Master Yi and others, but seriusly she needs to have her passive to even be reliable, she is not as tanky as you might believe and a champ like Voli and Olaf will just rape her, and while other champs can gain base damage as they grow tanky it is not the case with Leona, if you want to fight you need something like item 3748 item 3025 or even item 3087 to have a decent damage output.

IcyPepper1 votes

She's far better played as a jungler than a laner.

It would be nice for her passive to proc on monsters by herself, but she'll never be allowed to proc it on champions by herself due to thematic reasons IIRC.

Tho, if you're up for the challenge, try her in the jungle. Her ganks are amazing when done right.

Cherysse1 votes

It is indeed a challenge, I play her as a jungler actually but you need the right runes and masteries to succeed, at least +15 armor at LVL 1 and tanky plus damage masteries for the jungle.

SwiftKitten881 votes

my god be careful what YOU wish for.. i am a Nidalee main i thought.. "hey why dont we let nidalee jungle"

meanwhile her top and mid and support winrates have gone below 35% so she can "jungle" at a 50% win rate.

SO YOU BETTER BE FREAKING CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.. BECAUSE YOU JUST MIGHT GET IT

Cherysse1 votes

I am not saying that Leo should get JG oriented changes, I mean that she needs to be able to proc her passive by herself! hahaha But yeah it is truth, Nidalee is in a bad spot already, I think a way to fix it would be to finally add an AD ratio to her abilities, she should be an hybrid champ after all.

Cherysse1 votes

I am not saying that Leo should get JG oriented changes, I mean that she needs to be able to proc her passive by herself! hahaha But yeah it is truth, Nidalee is in a bad spot already, I think a way to fix it would be to finally add an AD ratio to her abilities, she should be an hybrid champ after all, mainly because her human E is such a good attack steroid.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I am not saying that Leo should get JG oriented changes, I mean that she needs to be able to proc her passive by herself! hahaha But yeah it is truth, Nidalee is in a bad spot already, I think a way to fix it would be to finally add an AD ratio to her abilities, she should be an hybrid champ after all, mainly because her human E is such a good attack steroid.

i actaulyl disagree what she needs is for her traps to be useful.. what killed her laning phase was the traps losing all functionality for spotting ganks.

i think she would be fine if we brought the traps vsion back and returned the %hp to the traps al long as it kept a cap at 50 on jungle mobs.

she really donest need AD ratios.. she could certainly do with that AD nerf to attack speed and damage reverted but i think thats asking too much

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

She's actually not that bad in a solo-lane. While you can't take advantage of your passive outside of ganks, her Q's AA-reset lets her trade very effectively and her W's defensive steroid makes her extremely durable during trades.

She's honestly a pretty good option when you have a damage-heavy jungler since your lane is extremely easy for them to gank and snowball off of.

Cherysse1 votes

nope, Ive played her in ranks and believe me it was a mistake! champs like Voli can just eat her down, her base defense capacities are low, same as her HP and AD.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Well yeah; juggernauts typically have an advantage against tanks in 1v1 fights due to how their kits work and what they offer for their team. Tanks have CC (often AoE) and Juggernauts have damage; damage is probably more useful in 1v1 fights and they are typically too durable to kill quickly without damage items.

If you are taking Leona into a solo-lane, you typically want to use her against a squishy melee champion or someone who relies on early snowballing (which you can deny).

Cherysse1 votes

True, but actually I was in some situations where the damage difference was so small that it could have been saved by my passive, this is what I mean.

undesirable team1 votes

Well, she counters some champions, and that's what makes her good, she can stomp some. But does she really need to counter every other champion? She's fine in my opinion... If you added a passive that did more damage on her, she'd be a broken support... Leona is a cc-god... you can do a lot of damage, I think she is fine as she is right now.

Dominick Destine1 votes

I've played Leona top and beaten Darius/Jarvan/etc.

She is not meant to be a top laner. She is intended to be a support.

DrNova1 votes

I'd imaging e she is limited from solo lane because of her cc. Three skills have hard cc on then.

Do you really want a cc tanky champ to also have a reasonable damage output?

No, no you don't. Leona would be perma ban at all ranks.

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