I think it shows how broken a champ can be (
sometimes 
and anyone with insane amounts of life steal and AS)
I think a way to solve it (without talking about these champs) is to make Baron basic attacks apply Grievous Wounds.
Chaos68936 votesOoh, that's actually pretty solid, it would prevent the abuse of stuff like Yi and Xin and even sometimes Wahwick if he's fed enough... the WW is the only one who can't ONESHOT MY GODDAMN TANK WTF IS THIS BS U HAVE TWO F***** DMAAGE ITEMS WTFLYINGF
Cherysse5 votesIKR? upvote so riot may hear my plea.
Bladeglory7 votesIf I may: make it a passive effect Baron gives off if there's less than two or three champions (of either side) in/near the pit. That way the offenders aren't weaker when they're group-clearing Baron.
Intimidation: Baron Nashor's form looms above you. With no allies nearby, your confidence wanes and your self-healing potential is weakened.
On the other hand, if Yi/Xin is fed enough to solo Baron... do you really stand a chance even if they don't have Baron? Heh.
cuddlykitten47 votesIt sounds good in theory, but it would shut down all of the legitimate healers who are really only in baron pit to heal what the baron is doing. Teams with healers play around the heals. It would unintentionally shut healers out.
Nechronia25 votesGrievous wounds only affects self-healing.
cuddlykitten47 votesOh yea, I forget that sometimes. Well, in that case, I see no issue with the proposed request's validity in concept. :)
Dar Raksada3 votesOh yea, I forget that sometimes. Well, in that case, I see no issue with the proposed request's validity in concept. :)
KANYE OBAMA GOD1 votesI don't think Fidd could tank baron even through his W though, someone else would most likely be there soaking up the damage.
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I don't think Fidd could tank baron even through his W though, someone else would most likely be there soaking up the damage.
in a team I've tanked baron pretty often, you just can't do it indefinitely.
Jasiwel23 votesSoloing dragon before 15 minutes is a bit unfair as it is (poor Dragon), but soloing Baron at any point is over the top. Baron is supposed to be a team-earned buff, not a freebie because your team's Yi/Xin Zhao is fed.
I think your solution is fine, but I think it'd be cool if that debuff disappeared if X amount of champions attacked Baron alongside the primary attacker.
Xenos111113 votesYi/Xin/Warwick/Shyvana etc can solo dragon at 7 minutes with just Devourer
Jasiwel4 votesI wouldn't try it with Shyvana personally (no inherent sustain, would rather gank), but I've seen the others do it.
It would be interesting if Dragon saw similar (not the same, just the idea) defensive capacity of the Rune Herald. Rune Herald is soloable with Devourer/BotRK as Shyvana, but he hits hard and can be risky if the other jungler is aware. Of course, soloing Dragon is risky if the other jungler is aware, but our flying reptile is also a lot more fragile and less hard-hitting than Rift Herald.
It could just be that I've always felt like Dragon/Baron should be earned rather than farmed, which the latter feels too often currently. Or maybe I just want to watch Dragon wreck teams like Baron does before 20 minutes.
Cherysse3 votesI solo dragon with Kog just when I build Devourer.
The Blue Rajah2 votesThe interesting thing about the changes to the jungle items is that they made them give lifesteal. Which gives Shyvana inherent sustain as long as she's fighting jungle monsters (like dragon). It makes soloing it quite easy.
Shonjl1 votesPfft don't even need to wait that long on WW. I have done it on him plenty on times with nothing but double buffs and starter pots, it gets very close but its indeed doable, go back early and get a dagger or Recurve bow or w/e builds into Devourer and I sometimes don't even need to use a potion or at most 1.
SociopathFriend6 votesAs someone who uses Fiddlesticks in the jungle- I can solo Dragon the moment I get the 2nd blue- but only if you let me.
I've not played Shyv or Xin jungle recently- but somehow I doubt they can solo it so fast that bot lane can't respond. And yes- warding and keeping an eye on dragon is one of the jobs of bot lane.
Jasiwel4 votesYeah, aware players can easily thwart those trying to solo dragon.
I think champs like Fidd and Shaco should be allowed to solo dragon, mostly because of how much dedication and involvement it requires from the two. They're not just auto-attacking it, thye don't gain stacks from it, and it takes a good bit of time to take it down. They're also AP Junglers, so they aren't held to the same conventions as AD or ADS junglers. They're irregular picks.
trash sion17 votesIt's completely fair. Ward baron if you don't want someone to spend 3 minutes soloing it.
Cherysse2 votesA champ can do it in 45 seconds, Ive seen doing it in less than 15...
trash sion9 votesThe only way anyone could solo baron that fast is if they're extremely fed, in which case they earned the ability to do that.
Arakadia2 votesNah. If that person is fullbuild just cuz its late game or if their broken like current xin, they didnt earn it did they?
Anidan8 votesIf it's that late, why didn't you ward Baron?
Crossette2 votesBecause going outside of your inner tower gets you instakilled by the jungler?
And don't even make me mention how useless 
is at that point.
Arakadia1 votesIt doesn't matter, you shouldnt be allowed to solo Baron. Its not a real threat and its a team based game. Their team didn't earn it nor the solo-er, the champion did. Warding Baron should be a thing you do for when the enemy team will take it, not one carry.
Anidan1 votesIf you can't be arsed to ward the river just in front of Baron and show up part-way through the fight to force them to completely abandon the solo attempt, you deserve to have Baron taken from you. Unless it's very late in the game, no champion can solo it so fast or so safely that it can't be deterred by the presence of someone else as long as proper vision is kept on it. No, not even Yi or Xin, safe and fast as they may be. I mean, do you not keep Dragon warded when you're against a Fiddlesticks jungle or something? Same principle, different objective.
Here's the short of it: Whether or not you think it's fair that they can do that is irrelevant right now. If you can't be bothered to deter the attempt, you clearly didn't care about them getting it enough to really have a strong, valid opinion on whether or not they should be able to solo it since you're apparently going to just let them. It being a team-based objective is still valid... for 95% of the roster, outside of niche builds. Switch it up against the 5% that might be able to pull it off and adapt.
Arakadia1 votesThe point is this a team based game. It feels more like an extremely strong Red Buff that if one person gets, the whole team gets. It doesn't feel the the intimidating, ferocious, monstrous, being known as the Baron Nashor. Its similar to how the dragon is something you farm, not earn. Its more a tanky minion then a Mighty Dragon.
Anidan1 votesThe point of this particular team-based game is to fight the other team assembled to kick your team's ass. The fact that there happens to be a strong monster somewhere in the rift that might require coordination to kill is unrelated to why this is a team-based game - he is not the end-boss of the game that you have to kill to win, the Nexus is. Someone being able to kill that strong monster by himself is not game-breaking in itself. Just because this is a team-game with something strong present in the game does not mean he has to require a full team to defeat. He's an objective in the larger scheme of the overarching strategy. He's the cannons you might wanna capture from the fort 2 miles south of the town you want to siege. He's not required, but he is a boon.
Dengeden12 votesSure it is, incompetence lack of vision should be punished. Also, you forgot to call WW broken.
Sneakyy XD7 votesNo, I think Baron should be an actual threat. I think he should be the equivalent of fighting three enemy champions.
kile1472 votesSadly there are champs that can do that right now. looks at Xin
GundayMonday6 votesI mean, you could just go kill them while they were solo'ing it. From your wards and proper strategic control of the map due to the power of team work.
Arakadia1 votesHow does Vayne steal it? How does janna, soraka, or Rammus? Just because you can solo Baron, doesn't mean you should be able to. It makes the baron feel like just another camp to farm and not he terrifying beast its lore tells of.
GundayMonday1 votesHuh?
Ruin Lance4 votesliterally anyone can do this so yes it is fair
Cherysse12 votesBy anyone you mean someone with basic abilities that provide either a lot of AS or Life Steal/Sustain and has a lot of AD to themselves? Because I know NO AP CHAMP whom is able to solo baron, and even a fed Vayne can't solo Baron.
Fawksea4 votesyeah because they have constant sustain and damage but not a burst like mages do any adc can solo baron with 1-2 life steal items and damage/attack speed, heck a tristana could do it drake is supposed to be a team objective and you have ton of people who can solo it lvl 3. heres the thing tho, they end up getting weak and it takes TIME. if a xin zhao is whacking baron for a minute and a half and nobody's noticed it then it's your fault as the team for not warding when you know they could be doing baron cause really all you need is 2 people to duo baron, if you get a tank like zac or sion to tank it while a jhin shoots at it well they're gonna get baron.
Andrionar6 votesyeah because they have constant sustain and damage but not a burst like mages do any adc can solo baron with 1-2 life steal items and damage/attack speed, heck a tristana could do it drake is supposed to be a team objective and you have ton of people who can solo it lvl 3. heres the thing tho, they end up getting weak and it takes TIME. if a xin zhao is whacking baron for a minute and a half and nobody's noticed it then it's your fault as the team for not warding when you know they could be doing baron cause really all you need is 2 people to duo baron, if you get a tank like zac or sion to tank it while a jhin shoots at it well they're gonna get baron.
No one can do it with 1-2 lifesteal items if not fed or with full build...
Fawksea3 votesaatrox can do it with sated and visage
Melledoneus3 votesAatrox needs BoRK, Sated, Visage, and armor to survive Baron Nashor. His base HP is horrid and unless he ults his attack speed is moot.
Xin on the other hand gets lifesteal crits and free healing.
Ruin Lance3 votesa fed vayne CAN solo baron with the proper build. as for ap champs mordekaiser can solo it and so can fizz. but, as for MAGES, the reason they can't solo baron is for the same reason that they can't kill tanks (or aren't meant to, at least.) anyway, anyone can solo baron, and i don't remember saying that if you build ap on any champion then you can solo baron. anyone in the game with enough life steal can solo it.
DorkunedAuras2 votesAP
bobsenbob2 votesIm fairly sure any full build adc can solo baron, I saw a mf solo baron in s5 a draven soloed baron a couple days ago. I don't see it often but it does happen
Arcade Andrew4 votesNo, solo baron isn't an issue. EVERY champion in the game can solo baron with the right items/runes/masteres and skill level on the player, don't go buffing baron and using it as an excuse to call something OP
Serika Zero3 votesI'd love to see you solo Baron as Janna ;)
Arakadia1 votesSoraka can solo Baron? It doesn't matter if they can, its a matter of if they should. Right now there is much contreversy over abortion. Many people are pro-abortion, but many argue that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. here the Baron doesn't feel the massive and terrifying monster it should be when people solo it.
Arcade Andrew1 votesI mean as far as I see it: unborn babies Are worse than cancer: NOT ONLY do you risk death during birth (or miscarriages ect) but if it actually escapes your womb you get sucked out of 18+ years of your life (and money) and that little ball of loveable adorableness will probably grow up more screwed up than you are and end up voting for Bernie sanders...
As for Soraka soloing baron?
Well I mean with the right items and masteres it is possible. Literally the base stats in this game mean almost nothing. Aswell as abilities. The thing is every champion in the game can solo baron using auto attacks only given the right build. Basically AD soraka with tons of AS and life steal and crit.
Add on top of being level 18 when you'd probably try, plus red buff blue buff gromp smite buff and smite + Q/E/R and summoner spell heal
Arakadia1 votesBaron won't heal her. My point was that just because its possible for someone to solo baron doesn't mean it should be acceptable. I don't wanna get into politics or anything like that, so idk why you even brought it up. Weather or not your pro-bernie or not shouldn't matter, the topic is whether champions should be allowed to solo Baron.
Arcade Andrew1 votesSolo baron should be acceptable, why not? If you start saying Baron should be impossible to Solo why stop there, why not dragon? Why not jungle camps? Why not minions?
Arakadia1 votesIts a team based objective, you shouldnt be allowed to solo it. If one champion goes MIA you shouldnt have to worry about Baron as they are likely: walking, farming, jg'ling, shopping, etc.
Jungle camps and minions aren't team-based-objectives. Theres no reason to make them stronger. Dragon feels more like another camp to farm rather then the Might, Intimidating, Fire Breathing Serpent that should be earned. Baron though for sure should be a force to be reckoned with.
Please don't blow my argument up to huge preportions then judge the result as you did. Theres no reason to buff jg camps and minions. Just because we buff Baron to what its lore, Riot, and what should be doesn't mean we should go crazy. When they redid SR, they didn't say: "Why stop here, why not redo all the champions kits!". A simple buff would be:
Intimidation: If there are less then 2/3 champions on the same team near the Baron Nashor while it is combat, the champion it is in combat with loses its courage and gets Grievous Wounds for the duration it is in combat.
Intimidation could lower AS, damage, or anything else if necessary. I think this would be a good addition and make League more of a TEAM based game, which its supposed to be.
DarthSpectrum3 votesActually a lot of champions can solo Baron with the right build.
In terms of champions who can best accomplish this task, 
and recently are the best.
Soloing Baron doesn't require a champion to be broken as seen with Aatrox. The champion just need to be AA based and have some form of powerful LF or AS steroid in their kits preferably on a short CD.
Yi isn't actually good at soloing Baron because he is too squishy and he needs to activate his ultimate for his AS steroid. Yi is much better at killing champions due to his speed, invincibility frames with Q, and resets.