had a lot of 4v5 games lately, getting really annoying.
if some one hasn't even connected by 10 minutes, let us surrender. its so pointless to keep going sometimes.
if its ranked, maybe half LP loss for anyone NOT duo'd with the person? (edit: to avoid duo exploiting)
(edit: this is not a forced surrender)
Rei Tenshi12 votesPatch 4.22 Notes:
Surrender time is increased by 20 mins per leaver on the team. This is because we at Riot want the players to feel heroic and legendary when they are playing. And winning 4v5, 3v5, 2v5, or even 1v5s are the perfect example of being heroes and winning despite overwhelming odds.
LuckyReden9 votesI agree 100%, It's not fair for people to have to waste 20 minutes of their lives because someone else was selfish. Something needs to change.
Besides, after I lose a game because of a Disconnect, idk about others, but I usually don't want to play any more games that day. So changing it means people can get into real games sooner.
Hopeslayer7 votesupvotes and no comments?
Decrit1 votesCommenting anxiety? xD however simple and clean, maybe making it scaling with levels in case of not-so early disconnects ( like increasing the surrender time to 12-15-18 etc if the lowest team member is lvl 2,3 and 4) can improve that?
LuckyReden14 votesNot many comments and many upvotes is a good sign most people agree.
Orokiyam5 votesLvl up to 2, then AFK
Hopeslayer1 votesLvl up to 2, then AFK
this is mostly a suggestion for people who never connect at all, and just leave at load screen
RisenDarkKnight4 votesDawngate had a system where you could surrender much earlier if there were DCs or if there was a large kill difference. That was a nice feature and in the games I played, people didn't immediately surrender just because they could. Allowing early surrender in blowout games even if no one DCs would make the game much more fun and less discouraging for new players who have to spend 10+ mins getting repeatedly killed if they lost lane early and the enemy snowballed.
bypace2 votesyou usually still gain xp if you are sitting in fountain if i am correct
trexmixG3 votesnope
Nubeel3 votesI think you do from things like your team killing baron.
FuzziestPickle2 votesIf the team kills baron before 10 minutes I think the team is doing VERY well off without the afk.
junglerboy162 votesThat only happens in ARAM, because of how fast paced it is. On SR, the game takes long enough that if you failed to connect before everyone else got a couple levels on you, you usually catch up within 10-15 minutes.
Rock Rockburgh1 votesI took 20 minutes to connect to a game once. When I got there, everyone else was ~13. By the end of the game (about five minutes later) I was maybe three levels behind them. Yeah... catching up in levels is not all that hard, oddly enough.
slipstreem1 votescatching up in levels is not all that hard, oddly enough. <
Well.. Riot has specifically implemented comeback mechanics into the game.. you get something like 5-10% bonus exp for every level you are behind the avg level of everyone in the game or something like that and even more if you kill a higher level jungle minion.
Nubeel1 votesMinion and champion kill exp is based on their level. So killing one level 13 minion while you're level 1 might get you to level 3 instantly for example.
Bubble Bèé1 votesCatching up on items, on the other hand...
NinjaToad991 votesFor a second I thought you meant summoner level.
Sohleks1 votesJust be sure to nerf Nidalee's hidden passive if this were to happen 
Starcall Casey1 votesmaybe Lower it to 15~ minutes because honestly 10 minutes is no time at all. in the next 5-10 minutes of the game you could have 4 fed teammates and a bunch of objectives because of a good team comp, smart plays and so on. IMO
Nubeel2 votesThis is true. Had a 4v5 game that looked bad till teamfights began. Then our team comp (Amumu, Katarina, Ashe and Jax) completely annihilated them. Didn't even matter that Zilean was afk.
slippykitten1 votesEven this would at least be something, albeit a very incomplete solution. I honestly cannot fathom the fact that riot thinks you should have to play out games with afk's and lose elo for it with literally nothing you can do but die in frustration.
Hopeslayer1 votesEven this would at least be something, albeit a very incomplete solution. I honestly cannot fathom the fact that riot thinks you should have to play out games with afk's and lose elo for it with literally nothing you can do but die in frustration.
and if you chose to sit at fountain while the 8-0 kat finishes 1v4ing your team, then you get reported afk too cuz everyones already pissed at the real afker
imanewbie21 votesI like the idea although so much can happen between 10 minutes and 20 minutes. I have won and seen multiple games where 4v5 was a walk in the park. But obviously that will change depending on the teams effort since most will be pretty upset at this point. But i dont see why they couldnt lower the surrender time if the whole team agrees to the surrender then so be it everyone is on the same page.
The Real Solnos1 votesif its ranked, maybe half LP loss for anyone NOT duo'd with the person?
I don't understand why people discriminate people who duo with other people. They are just two friends who want to play together. Then when the game effs up for one of them, the other gets abused for something noone can control?
Rock Rockburgh1 votesThe concern is that people who duo could abuse the feature. They'd be able to lower their overall LP loss by switching back and forth, with one of them leaving any time they're losing a game. (Doesn't really apply with people who leave for composition, but they'd probably just dodge in selection anyway.)
Chaoscontrol1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Vocu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sHMj7EZ4,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-01-06T07:32:33.435+0000)
had a lot of 4v5 games lately, getting really annoying.
if some one hasn't even connected by 10 minutes, let us surrender. its so pointless to keep going.
if its ranked, maybe half LP loss for anyone NOT duo'd with the person?
some1 give this guy a medal
N00BC8K31 votesI have won 4v5's so just because your a man down its no reason to surrender at 10 min. give it a change before throwing it away.
Hopeslayer1 votesI have won 4v5's so just because your a man down its no reason to surrender at 10 min. give it a change before throwing it away.
not all team comps can do that, and depending on what role is afk, it can be gg very quick. if you learned how to read,this is an OPTION to surrender at 10 mins, this is not a forced surrender
for those rare occasions the team with 5 fed then enjoy it
N00BC8K31 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Vocu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sHMj7EZ4,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2015-01-16T04:20:16.231+0000)
not all team comps can do that, and depending on what role is afk, it can be gg very quick. if you learned how to read,this is an OPTION to surrender at 10 mins, this is not a forced surrender
for those rare occasions the team with 5 fed then enjoy it
i can READ..i was stating my opinion. I was in a game yesterday with 4 feeders on my team, in that situation i truly wish i could have surrendered sooner then the 20 min mark.
Hopeslayer1 votesi didnt say anything about it being a forced surrender, some games maybe you are ahead. but maybe some games the afkers lane is completely gone and the kill score is 0-10
i have won 4v5's before. this is a suggestion for when it is unwinnable, and a waste of time.
Vortex IV1 votesJesus and I agree with this.
Duobyte1 votesI wish it would be 15 minutes surrender regardless of afk in the team. Sometimes it is just so stupid to play a game for 30 minutes of torture when you KNOW you will lose. Don't tell me how you won those unimaginable games because I don't really care. How many games have been decided in the first 10 minutes or so? If they have akali, fiora , reksai, jinx and leona and they are all winning their lanes. You might as well surrender at starting screen.
Hopeslayer1 votesI wish it would be 15 minutes surrender regardless of afk in the team. Sometimes it is just so stupid to play a game for 30 minutes of torture when you KNOW you will lose. Don't tell me how you won those unimaginable games because I don't really care. How many games have been decided in the first 10 minutes or so? If they have akali, fiora , reksai, jinx and leona and they are all winning their lanes. You might as well surrender at starting screen.
it would be nice to have it 15 default
