My whole reason as to why i think fizz is just ok and what actually makes him strong.

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Strengths


1- item 2009 or item 2033 <-- gets rid of his early game weakness of having little to no mana to use his combo. because he has such little mana the potion or biscuits will easily give him enough for another combo or to farm with because he can just use e to farm.

2- CDR is really abundant in this game now and because of this fizz can just take 45% cdr mastery start off with cdr and rush really good items such as item 3100 item 3157 item 3158 item 3165 and easily have maxed cdr.

3- Minion collision is a mess this season and fizz doesn't have to suffer at all because of his passive, q, and e.

4- His ult hitbox is LARGE AS FUCK, He tosses a little ass fish that is probably the same size if not bigger than morgana's Q. Causes a slow upon landing it, and a knock up which temporarily prevents you from running away. For the amount of mobility fizz has i think it would be fair to either remove the knock up or the slow off of his ult if not both. someone so mobile shouldn't have such an easy access to CC (especially when his ult is on a ridiculous cooldown of something like 50 with all this cdr?) and they also need to greatly reduce the hitbox width on the first part of the ult as well.

these four things listed above are what make fizz strong and the only real problem that is actually fizz' fault is reason number 4.

Weaknesses


1- People can negate all of fizz's Q damage by flashing it before he makes contact with your character i believe (something a lot of people don't know because in every fizz complaint thread. "NO COUNTERPLAY Q THAT DOES DAMAGE AHHHHHH")

2- He can be out sustained and poked in lane very easily, if you force him to use his kit defensively then you wont need to worry about him being offensive. he will eventually not have the mana to fight you and will be forced to go away. Annie Ahri Chogath Diana Ekko Fiddlesticks Galio Heimerdinger Karma Kayle Kennen Malzahar Leblanc Lissandra Lulu Lux Morgana Orianna Ryze Zilean Zyra lets not pretend there arent champions who will shit on fizz level 1-3 just because their poke, sustain, or cc will completely fuck up fizz if he engages especially lulu. Lulu is THE number fizz counter.

3- Items in this game can easily prevent fizz from doing his job. item 3092 will safely check unwarded areas for you and slow the target enough to the point running at your team is damn near impossible. item 3222 item 3140 fizz ult ? what fizz ult? item 3102 <-- will completely negate either the damage of fizz E or Q and will completely prevent fizz ult from doing anything to you provided you walk out of the circle because that shark is going to come out no matter what.

4- HIS E IS A SKILLSHOT STOP STANDING UNDER IT. Everybody bitches and complains about fizz E yet they refuse to run away from him when he activates it. sure he can cast it again to change where he is landing but if im not mistaken the hitbox is WAY smaller if he uses the second cast i think its like 3 teemos in an aoe area big, and if he doesn't use the second cast he can only fall within 2 maybe 3 teemos away from where he originally landed?

5- yall need to learn how to respect mias. if you know fizz is coming stop trying to out play him and die just so you can log on and make the hottest fizz complaint thread.

8 Comments

Nahui3 votes

Well, I disagree with flash being Q counterplay. It's not. It's a tool you have every 5 minutes against a spell with about a 4-12ish (Don't know exact CDs, just taking into account level 1-18 with CDR) CD. Sure you can dodge one Q every 5 minutes, but is that really counterplay? So 24/25 Q's will still hit, but the counterplay is that 25th?

It's mainly his ult. His ult is a death sentence in every way. Pre-slow, knock up, post slow, damage amp, and hit box extraordinaire.

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

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Well, I disagree with flash being Q counterplay. It's not. It's a tool you have every 5 minutes against a spell with about a 4-12ish (Don't know exact CDs, just taking into account level 1-18 with CDR) CD. Sure you can dodge one Q every 5 minutes, but is that really counterplay? So 24/25 Q's will still hit, but the counterplay is that 25th?

It's mainly his ult. His ult is a death sentence in every way. Pre-slow, knock up, post slow, damage amp, and hit box extraordinaire.

i think other gap closers can dodge it as well but im not completely sure

i also think parrying dodging or blinding fizz can negate it as well but i think thats only the physical damage part of it.

and once again banshees will completely ignore everything the Q has to offer

theres also hourglass.

and i didn't know about the qss part either but ehh

i still think fizz is actually just an ok champ

Nahui1 votes

Oh I agree. I personally don't mind him. I'm just saying flash isn't an argument for counterplay for most things, especially basic skills on a low cd spell on a champ that makes it a goal to maximize CDR.

Even things such as hour glass really aren't too much of a basis for counterplay. By the time you're out of the 120 second cd, his Q is about up again late game or even mid game just a few more seconds. Zhonyas as counterplay is more attributed to things such as vi ult or zed ult or syndra ult where two significant CDs are exchanged.

He's a fine champion, but be careful when you offer advice on counterplay. Flash and zhonyas aren't really counterplay to Q and e. To his ult definitely, at least zhonyas is as well as QSS of banshees. But for his Q, even that isn't too much counterplay. 45 second CD for a 4-12, and not an active effect either. Building banshees doesn't guarantee "counterplay" as a rogue Caitlyn Q or nid trap could set it off, unlike zhonyas where you actively choose to use it. See what I mean?

But overall, fizz is fine. He's got an infuriating play style, but a very linear one. He ults a target and goes ham. Very slippery, and mainly a noob stomp. Once you master E mechanics (not too hard) fizz becomes a pub stomp.

Penns1 votes

You can also dodge it with normal dashes. Riven can dodge like every Fizz Q with her E if she does it right.

LaserDeathBlade1 votes

I think what most ppl hate about Fizz is the fact that he only needs like 2 CS a minute to properly perform his job, and a kill or god forbid 4 CS a minute will send him into complete overdrive snowball mode.

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

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I think what most ppl hate about Fizz is the fact that he only needs like 2 CS a minute to properly perform his job, and a kill or god forbid 4 CS a minute will send him into complete overdrive snowball mode.

then that wouldn't be fizz' fault, that would be riot's fault.

if they made it so all of his build paths were more affordable and accessible thats not his fault. that is riot's fault.

same thing with duskblade, supposed to be assassin only item. adcs abused it. not adc's fault. thats riots

NotCounter1 votes

Fizz feels extremely gold dependent to me. I feel like my Q and W do absolutely nothing without Lich Bane and I can't make nearly as many risky plays until I get lots of CDR and Zhonyas.

LAKIGR1 votes

u know qss doesn't get rid of fizz ult any more, it only gets rid of the slow

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