Why does nocturne, the guy whose all about darkness. Is darkness, and orignated from darkness.

YJRBqwXJcS·May 19, 2016·168 votes·6,592 views

Need vision to use his ultimate?

107 Comments

ModAzure OleMay 19, 2016109 votes

Sounds like you'd rather him take...

...a shot in the dark?

YJRBqwXJcSMay 19, 20165 votes

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Sounds like you'd rather him take...

...a shot in the dark?

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HigeMay 20, 201634 votes

Because of balance...

npbeisbolMay 20, 201649 votes

get out of here. the boards are no place for reason!

RG VeleanMay 20, 20163 votes

But why not give it an effect like TF where it grants vision of the enemy team for just you, unlike TF where he grants vision of enemy champions for his whole team

HigeMay 20, 20162 votes

I'll bite, Rengar has this version of what you propose BUT he doesn't have a long range dash or the vision reduction component that Nocturne has, if on top of it he could choose any target he wanted, the counterplay to his ult would be effectively zero while he could assasinate ANYONE from screens away.

RG VeleanMay 20, 20166 votes

Okay but TF has a 5500 unit tele that allows him vision of the whole enemy team. While nocturne can Ult at max from 4000 units away at max rank ( AurelionSol 's E at max rank is 7000 units to give some perspective). So yes, it would be from screens away, but at best maybe from dragon pit to bot/mid.

Basically though, it's a shorter TF ult, that would only grant vision for himself, rather than the whole team.

Another thing that I think might be slightly cool to add some down side to his ult if they gave him vision of the enemy team, would be to apply the debuff to his team aswell. That way the only one that has vision is Noc, making ganking a bit of a trade off. It might not be great in gameplay terms, but it would make his ult a little more balanced if they give him global vision. Just a little thing I think would be cool.

Pierce The VealMay 20, 201611 votes

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Need vision to use his ultimate?

Nocturne is fun, but I think he could use some sort of rethinking to fit his thematic.

Of course, I don't actually want that to happen because so far anytime that's happened it's just ruined the champion for its playerbase.

dapositivevikingMay 20, 201611 votes

i think nocturnes q has the potential to be the best spell ever thematically

GorgannanMay 20, 20167 votes

He can use it as a path? Walk over walls.

Pierce The VealMay 20, 20168 votes

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i think nocturnes q has the potential to be the best spell ever thematically

Yeah I agree. It's a really awesome spell, but I'm worried that if they so much as look at it they would remove the AD on it because "muh free stats."

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He can use it as a path? Walk over walls.

Honestly that's what drew me in to Nocturne like 4 years ago. I thought he actually could walk over walls.

ninjaIRL May 20, 20161 votes

Yeah, Spectre has an almost similar ability that can be used to ignore terrain.

In Dota 2.

Pierce The VealMay 20, 20161 votes

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Yeah, Spectre has an almost similar ability that can be used to ignore terrain.

In Dota 2.

Yeah I think I saw that when I was interested in Dota 2. Suffice it to say I downloaded the game and got pissed off about how slow and laggy everything felt because of the sheer size of the map, no recall without tele scroll, and turn speed.

ninjaIRL May 21, 20161 votes

I felt the same for like 3 months. Gradually began to adjust to the pace of the game and I enjoy it as much as I enjoy League now. Since I'm playing League less and less I'm playing Dota 2 more and more.

Pierce The VealMay 22, 20161 votes

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I felt the same for like 3 months. Gradually began to adjust to the pace of the game and I enjoy it as much as I enjoy League now. Since I'm playing League less and less I'm playing Dota 2 more and more.

Usually if I quit League I just stop playing video games for good for the most part, coming back to League if only for a couple friends who play it.

Serpents EmbraceMay 20, 20168 votes

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FantasySniperMay 20, 20161 votes

They're already doing that: The AP buff to his passive healing.

There's no reason to give it to him other than trying to make him into a Guinsoo's addict. Nashor's is more efficient of an AP item on him.

Pierce The VealMay 20, 20161 votes

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They're already doing that: The AP buff to his passive healing.

There's no reason to give it to him other than trying to make him into a Guinsoo's addict. Nashor's is more efficient of an AP item on him.

And if you were around you would hve noticed that I had a thread about how that was literally on of the shittiest things Riot could do to him. That's not rethinking, that's slapping on numbers that don't even go well with his kit.

But yes, that 20% cdr nashors tooth and cheap attack speed might actually be worth considering on him now.

FantasySniperMay 21, 20161 votes

Bruh, I made that thread 4 days before you did.

Pierce The VealMay 22, 20161 votes

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Bruh, I made that thread 4 days before you did.

Welp, I now have some respect for you. Can't believe still went through with that change though.

BârdMay 20, 201610 votes

Because the alternatives are worse.

A. Urgot style lockon: if you happen to hover over them in the fog of war, you will fly at them. Can see that going wrong in SO many ways. B. Giant reveal: Going further away from the darkness.

Also, Nocturne is not exactly about darkness; he is about nightmares (being a literal embodiment of nightmares), and darkness just happens to be the fear he portrays the most.

ModAcademy KaynMay 21, 20163 votes

I, uh, totally fear Syndra in a bikini... Like, terrified of it...

FantasySniperMay 21, 20161 votes

I am afraid of Sona in a witch outfit. 2spooky4me.

Monkey D LuffyMay 20, 20168 votes

Because we're not nocturne, for me this is the classic "Why do aliens talk english in movies" kind of argument, it's not for them it's for us.

Lydia in DoorwayMay 20, 20164 votes

This is the only response that was needed imo. Nocturne

PhoenixOfHeavenMay 20, 20162 votes

Disagree on thr whole noc thing, But I love your name :P gave me a good chuckle.

ZeeWolfZMay 19, 20165 votes

TF/Noc Shen/Noc Taric/Noc Panth/Noc Ori/Noc

All amazing engage combos.

TheOvermindMay 20, 20161 votes

lol these are all amazing combos. Only one I have played was noc + shen = backline obliterated

Critmaster GarenMay 20, 20163 votes

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lol these are all amazing combos. Only one I have played was noc + shen = backline obliterated

one of my favourites was a yorick + zilean bot lane before yoricks ghouls got a movement speed nerf, and when zileans bombs were point and click.

basically yorick would throw down a ghoul, and zilean would put a bomb on him. you could watch the ghoul chase down the enemy adc as he runs away in panic to get out of the blast radius of the bomb. since ghouls and zilean bombs have relatively low cooldows, they could do this over and over, basically preventing the adc from farming.

it was hilarious.

WoonStruckMay 20, 20165 votes

Why does Nocturne, a spirit that originated from the darkness, get blinded?

Especially in blind pick vs another Nocturne.

KelvinwopMay 20, 20165 votes

Why can teemo blind Lee Sin?

It's because rito doesn't want you to see. All the evidence points to it.

Nocturne ult... Graves smokescreen... blind characters... you can't buy 75g stealth wards anymore... clairvoyance removed... can't buy purple wards at full build...

This is just the beginning. Sightstone builds will be nerfed into the ground. Tracker's sabre will only get 1 ward charge.

VIVA LA [insert spanish vision term or something here]

Rand0mH3r0XMay 20, 20164 votes

Darkness doesn't mean absence. It's a relative phrase.

Don't think of Darkness being anything but the scarcity of light. Black holes trap light, and we really can't see them.

Fun Facts: If we needed UVB rays in order to see, during the night we would be totally blind. If we used Infrared to see, our eyes would be over-saturated and go numb from the pain.

Drakon 3oh3May 20, 20163 votes

why can teemo blind lee sin?

UltîmaMay 20, 20163 votes

Tbh I feel Nocturne has one of the poorest Theme -> Gameplay transitions of any character. His Ult and E feel great, but the rest of his kit just seems so incredibly bland and not make much sense with regards to what someone would imagine it would be to play a murderous, shadowy wraith. He really needs to be given proper attention.

Leopards GhostMay 19, 20162 votes

blinded by the light?

EarthenDragonMay 20, 20162 votes

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blinded by the light?

The Lion TurtleMay 20, 20162 votes

Lux Leona Heh...

ModWulf HelhammerMay 19, 20162 votes

Doesn't he get vision of all enemy champions when he ults? (Don't play so I don't know)

DryditchMay 19, 20167 votes

Nope... That's why people like to run TF/Noct together. The ulti combos are INSANE.

ModWulf HelhammerMay 19, 20161 votes

Well then, that's really strange. Seems really weird to have a long range dash ability to an enemy and not gain vision of them. Maybe they thought enemy vision denial was enough already?

DryditchMay 19, 20168 votes

Vision denial is an absurdly strong mechanic on its own, especially when contesting objectives. It's extraordinarily easy for a team with Nocturne to sneak in on a baron or dragon attempt and get the first shot off on the enemies. Very strong strategy that works best when coordinated by chat. Would not recommend for soloqueue.

Voluug13May 20, 20168 votes

No he doesnt.

He should, IMO, at least linked to the debuff itself, and only vision to himself.

HellpyreMay 20, 20162 votes

Forget that. Why do Shaco boxes interrupt the dash?

morris1May 20, 20163 votes

Even the worst of nightmares are scared by children's toys.

RikoZerameMay 20, 20163 votes

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecsano46Z1qkzgk2o1_500.gif

FusarixMay 20, 20162 votes

So your saying give nocturne ult a tf ult effect to it? sounds pretty OP to me. Sure it would fit his lore and his character better but game play wise it would be totally broke. Running to fog is the one way you can safely avoid nocturnes ult without him jumping to you ad one shot you. Plus a good nocturne player would have the ward coverage or ult with vision to prevent that from happening. just saying

YJRBqwXJcSMay 20, 20161 votes