Boots of swiftness give too little movement speed

po crlh sff·Jun 8, 2016·24 votes·1,676 views

So in the latest patch boots of swiftness got nerfed, probabily due to theyr high prominence in the previous patches and basically everyone building them.

while maybe a nerf was deserved, i think it was the wrong kind of nerf. With the removal of boot enchants FLAT movespeed is even scarcer, boots are literally THE only flat permanent mov speed purchase you can do, they are core on some champions (some champions have movespeed scallings, others rely on having slightly higher mov speed,etc) and i dont think swiftness boots in it's current state cuts it for such champs) sure there are %increases but they are NOT the same thing and boots of mobility give only out of combat stats.

If riot thinks movespeed, more specifically flat movespeed is too powerfull of a stat to have and that it directly affets game balance then it should be priced accordingly, rather than slowly being withered away as a stat.

My sugestion: either reverse the nerf and make them as expensive as the "combat tier" boots or buff the remaining "utility tier" boots into boots of swiftness level. As they are now, paying 600g for some mere 10 movespeed feels incredibly underwhelming, I'd much rather pay more for actual stats.

That's about it

24 Comments

EndlessSorcererJun 8, 20163 votes

Slows are extremely common and Boots of Swiftness are useful when dealing with constantly applied slows.

Even without the additional movement speed, they will still be useful for this purpose.

You will be thankful they exist when you have to deal when the enemy team can chain-slow you.

po crlh sffJun 14, 20161 votes

Mercury threads can serve the same purpose while still providing a decent ammount of magic resist, I believe for this boots to be on par they shoul give a meaningful stat advantage in adicion to the passive, just +10mov speed doesnt cut it

EndlessSorcererJun 14, 20162 votes

Mercury Treads don't help that much against re-appliable slows (i.e. Frozen Mallet, Rylai's Crystal Scepter, Ashe's passive).

In those situations (where a slow would be reapplied before it actually wears off), Boots of Swiftness are much better.

XeroKimoJun 9, 20163 votes

But.... you aren't paying 600g for mere +10 movement speed over other boots.... you're paying for reducing the effectiveness of slow....

po crlh sffJun 14, 20161 votes

Tenacity can do that as well, it even helps with ALL cc, the reason i bought this boots over mercury was the fact that i needed to be faster than my oponent, so that i could chose when to take action, i didnt bought them expecting to be chain slowed as i will be dead with or without these boots

MunchCrunchLunchJun 8, 20162 votes

no sir. they became really. really bad. except maybe on jhin or on morde.

Irelia BotJun 9, 20162 votes

you still buy them for the slow reduction.

Feel like shit does not mean is shit.

po crlh sffJun 14, 20161 votes

Why not just buy mercury threads then?

Irelia BotJun 15, 20162 votes

Merc reduce the duration of the slow effect but in the case of things like Anivia ult or IBG which apples a slowing area to the ground it will only reduce the duration of the slow once that area disappears or you leave.

The Yetii RiderJun 9, 20162 votes

Boots are not literally the only flat MS you can get.

Cloud Drake gives a flat +15/+30/+45 MS, and it doesn't cost you a single gp.

NineTailedMysticJun 9, 20164 votes

Out of combat movespeed. Not nearly as good.

The Yetii RiderJun 9, 20161 votes

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Out of combat movespeed. Not nearly as good.

Clearly it is, since Cloud Drake isn't that far behind the other drakes in terms of win rate according to Riot.

FantasySniperJun 9, 20161 votes

People really underestimate cloud drake. It's my favorite buff right behind mt.

NarasimhaJun 9, 20162 votes

Do note the main strength of the boots is not the extra MS, but the slow reduction. And considering how prevalent slows are, it's not to be underestimated.

po crlh sffJun 14, 20161 votes

I tend to disagree. Mercury threads can help against that as well while providing magic resist and reducing all kinds of cc except surpression. The one thing i find this boots having over the others was giving more move speed

SylverblitzJun 8, 20161 votes

I feel like that cost does not match the movement speed increase either. +45 for all other boots except mobility, +55 for 'swiftness' boots. The only way I can see that they justify buying is if the speed is bumped up, possibly even to +65, and remove the slow duration effect or if the speed stays the same and the slow duration effect is increased to something worthwhile like 40% reduction. I have seen some argue that the slow duration is good but in my experience any movement speed slow that hits you is going to let the other team catch you if they are chasing you unless it is as close to 0 in duration as possible.

RogueWillJun 9, 20161 votes

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I feel like that cost does not match the movement speed increase either. +45 for all other boots except mobility, +55 for 'swiftness' boots. The only way I can see that they justify buying is if the speed is bumped up, possibly even to +65, and remove the slow duration effect or if the speed stays the same and the slow duration effect is increased to something worthwhile like 40% reduction. I have seen some argue that the slow duration is good but in my experience any movement speed slow that hits you is going to let the other team catch you if they are chasing you unless it is as close to 0 in duration as possible.

I normally only get them if Ashe is on the enemy since the slow reduction is better than the duration reduction since is constantly reapplied. Other reason woudl be champions that can abuse item 3116 but that item has become less and less common so there is harldly any need.

zlumpyJun 8, 20161 votes

They should just scrap current boot designs. Make one boots with 4 upgrade choices for x amount of gold each. That way boots are a full on item like other major buys and early game you can get whatever you need for a given situation.

alfavhunterJun 9, 20161 votes

I say nerf the MS down to the normal for all boots

But buff the slow resistance to 60%, making it better than tenacity boots by a good bit vs slows

TheOvermindJun 9, 20161 votes

If you want more moves speed then go mobies. If u want slow resistance go swiftes.

po crlh sffJun 14, 20161 votes

Mobies leave me with less speed than every boot upgrade while in combat, which is crippling in a teamfight scenario. The slow resistance part is not as good as tenacity given by mercury threads. The on advantage this boots gave over the remaining ones was the superior movespeed while in combat

FantasySniperJun 9, 20161 votes

I'm gonna mention the commonly suggested buff of ghosting.

LatetotheRaceJun 9, 20161 votes

If riot would address certain items and not boots, movement speed would probably be under control. item 3113 item 3086 Both are pretty cheap and can be purchased early. item 3142 item 3087 item 3285 item 3100 item 3078 item 3094 item 3046 There are just far too many options for movement speed, and the passive from and need to be unique for all of their variants. They can both have their separate passives, but building both and for instance, should only give 5% movement speed total.