rengar's winratio

po crlh sff·Feb 21, 2016·26 votes·4,477 views

Champion.gg - Rengar Jungle Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

Rengar a champion who used to be around a 50% winratio (normal) is now around 46% (below normal) thanks to outcry of the comunity. I guess that's what happens when you REMOVE damage from an assassin (the class which is suposed to deal burst damage to single targets), i guess rengar is the new akali.

Well i shouldn't surprised, judging from current teamcomps with quinn top, graves jungler, corki mid, and a metric ton of blue ezreals i guess the only role league of adc mains didn't take yet is support, crying about rengar until he got nerfed is way more efective than buying pinks i guess.

bring on the hate

86 Comments

JbelsFeb 21, 201621 votes

No offense to Rengar mains, but a small ! above your head in no way prepares you for the shit-ton of burst that's about to leap out of nowhere and kill you, ESPECIALLY when Red Trinket doesn't even let you target stealth champions anymore

FortisDominusFeb 21, 20164 votes

so much stupid and ignorance in this post i dont know where to start

JbelsFeb 21, 201616 votes

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so much stupid and ignorance in this post i dont know where to start

You can start by taking your superiority complex and shoving it up your ass. Rengar has actually been called a balance embarrassment by a Rioter, and it really shows. He deserved the Bola nerfs he got, and I'm glad there's no longer an assassin in the game with a (basically) point and click hard CC

FortisDominusFeb 21, 20161 votes

you are so dumb... bola is a skillshot, you are obviously a new player because you have no idea what imbalance is. Leblanc on release was imbalanced, xin zhao on release was imbalanced (to the extreme), Beta jax was imbalanced. If you honestly believe rengar was on the same levels as these champions you have no idea what you are talking about which is why i said you are stupid and ignorant. Exactly what op said, rengar was sitting around a 50% win rate when he got gutted. Yet champions like xin zhao, who are much stronger now then rengar was before he got gutted, are getting baby nerfs on these recent patches.

JbelsFeb 21, 20166 votes

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you are so dumb... bola is a skillshot, you are obviously a new player because you have no idea what imbalance is. Leblanc on release was imbalanced, xin zhao on release was imbalanced (to the extreme), Beta jax was imbalanced. If you honestly believe rengar was on the same levels as these champions you have no idea what you are talking about which is why i said you are stupid and ignorant. Exactly what op said, rengar was sitting around a 50% win rate when he got gutted. Yet champions like xin zhao, who are much stronger now then rengar was before he got gutted, are getting baby nerfs on these recent patches.

You literally have no idea how Rengar's Bola used to work 1 or 2 patches ago, do you? You could literally cast it while you were coming to the end of your leap out of stealth RIGHT ABOVE their head, and it would land on them, without you having to aim. It was basically a point and click, and it was bullshit. Winrate isn't indicative of gameplay experience. Playing against Rengar for a lot of people makes them want to pull their damn hair out

FortisDominusFeb 21, 20162 votes

nope, as a rengar main i knew exactly how it use to work, however, the bola still goes right over peoples heads when i throw it even after the last patch(sometimes). the only people who have over a 50% winrate with rengar are people who main him (people who have over 125 games). You wanna know what OP is? i have a 100% winrate with malphite and xin zhao. With malphite i have 9 games played and with xin i have 8. The only argument you have going for you is that bola could snare someone with almost no chance of missing when leaping out of stealth. no one ever brings up the fact that rengar has the 3rd longest cooldown on his ult at rank 1 though do they?

WadeWilson1337Feb 21, 20161 votes

Can you stop bitching and just play Khazix? Hes extremely close to Rengar right now except he is less bullshit and more balanced. Stop crying about Rengar and pick up another champion, Rengar is cancer champ and anyone who defends him is mad because they dont have their precious freelo champ anymore.

FortisDominusFeb 21, 20162 votes

i have a 75% winrate with rengar this season and i still played him even after the nerfs. Your just mad because you got shit on by someone who plays rengar, stay salty bad kid [:

AnonymousPoroFeb 22, 20161 votes

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You literally have no idea how Rengar's Bola used to work 1 or 2 patches ago, do you? You could literally cast it while you were coming to the end of your leap out of stealth RIGHT ABOVE their head, and it would land on them, without you having to aim. It was basically a point and click, and it was bullshit. Winrate isn't indicative of gameplay experience. Playing against Rengar for a lot of people makes them want to pull their damn hair out

This is true. Made it almost impossible to not die from a gank from Rengar without burning your flash.

Dusk Mane RengarFeb 21, 20163 votes

point and click hard CC

Hello its season 6 Rengar got reworked 2 years ago..

And he doesnt deserve a nerf that totally make him clunky, a nerf to his E damage, utility or even more nerfs to his R would be perfectly fine.

JbelsFeb 21, 20169 votes

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Hello its season 6 Rengar got reworked 2 years ago..

And he doesnt deserve a nerf that totally make him clunky, a nerf to his E damage, utility or even more nerfs to his R would be perfectly fine.

This was literally 2 patches ago. Look it up. Rengar's leap worked in a way where you could cast bola above their heads and it was certain to land every time

FortisDominusFeb 21, 20161 votes

not every time, if the enemy flashed the second rengar leaps or if rengar sucked and missed

JbelsFeb 21, 20167 votes

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not every time, if the enemy flashed the second rengar leaps or if rengar sucked and missed

Well congrats, take my flash cooldown, I'll see you in a minute or two when you come back to collect the kill you would have otherwise gotten

FortisDominusFeb 21, 20161 votes

so? when vi and amumu use their ult on you in a gank your most likely dead unless you have flash. If you burn your flash they will just come back when they have their ults back up to finish the job. So whats the problem? you think rengar is the only one that can take advantage of flash cds? LOL

XicashinaFeb 21, 20166 votes

Yes however Vi and amumu don't have stealth when approaching the gank and their ults CD are twice rengars ult CD and 3 times rengars ult CD respectivelly

po crlh sffFeb 21, 20161 votes

Flash wasnt a requirement, any dash could do it adicionally sidesteping it with enough movespeed would also do it. The reason why it was so reliable is because since he was invis people ran in a straight line and then they would get it (like in all skillshots). Also by using E he wasnt gonna get the steroyd from Q improving your chances of fighting back altough if he had the item advantage he would win. Lastly, im ok with how bola is right now, all i want is the damage being bursty and less dps'y since I play him as an assassin and not as fighter, its counterintuitive the way it is now

Dusk Mane RengarFeb 21, 20162 votes

Yeah you could do that but it was a skillshot that you could avoid with flash or using some kind of dash/jump.

ApocylipticFeb 21, 20163 votes

The point being, you shouldn't be ABLE to survive when that exclamation mark above your head appears. Rengar has one job and one job alone, to kill the Carries on the enemy opposing team. He has no wave clear and hardly any siege, and his teamfighting is abysmal.

How do you beat Rengar? Staying with your team OR not going anywhere yourself when you don't know where he is at. Rengar excels at killing targets who are out of position, which believe it or not, is one of the things Low Elos are worst at and for that reason they hate Rengar.

43161549_DELFeb 21, 20162 votes

id just like to take a look at my last game where i fought a rengar. he wa stop lane and took exhaust. He was able ot ult, get onto our entire team and kill 3 of us. two of the team were hard tanks (malphite and maokai) he killed those two first.

ApocylipticFeb 21, 20161 votes

What does that mean? He had around 20 kills and you had just blown everything in a teamfight, making that YOUR mistake. There is no way a rengar can kill malphite and maokai at the same time unless they are both extremely behind, their builds suck, and can't use their abilities, and also, Rengar would have to have a last Whisperer.

Even assuming what you said were true, do you honestly think Riot would allow such a champion to exist? You see if Rengar actually DID the things you claimed, then his winrate would easily be around 80% but tell me what it is right now? That's right, one of the lowest in league.

Also, him killing the tanks first? That's enough make me know for a FACT your lying. A rengar doesn't jump on the tanks first, EVER, and if he does, he just gets CC'd and blown up by the adc.

43161549_DELFeb 21, 20161 votes

actually no, he initiated the fight, our teams were even other then him. Im not lying, he jumped maokai cause he was closest, killed him (no last whisper, he has lord dominiks) and murdered him, then kill malphite when he ulted and i ulted off of it (yasuo) and died almost instantly.

Edit: this is his item set. item 3748 item 3142 item 3053 item 3156 item 3158 item 3057

po crlh sffFeb 21, 20161 votes

Well if you are alone deep split pushing i guess the small "!" wont prepare you, specially if he is fed. HOWEVER it still prepares you better than for example a nocturne ulti and in that scenario if he was equally fed as a rengar you would be equally dead.

Also what complaining about exactly? 1400 is about the normal vision radius, seing the "!" means a rengar just entered your normal vision radius, he still has to come 715 units range of you, how is that diferent from seing a LB or a Zed or a Fizz apearing in your vision radius? they still have a metric ton of mobility to get to you and are just as bursty (probably more now that they reduced Q scaling). The way i see it it's only worse in the sense that you dont know exactly from which side he is coming, otherwise its your fault for not warding properly (yeah pinks cost 75g but is that really too much considering you may have to buy zonia or QSS to counter zed?).

KieferrFeb 21, 20169 votes

Shitty timing. Hate to admit this, but I wanna see Rengar get buffed to deal with this cancerous 4 adc meta.

Meep ManFeb 21, 20169 votes

He's not the hero League of Legends wants, but the hero they need.

~~(Which is basically every Assassin since people complain about them yet dont realize they are one of the few things standing between us and the start of an ADC meta)~~

Dusk Mane RengarFeb 21, 20164 votes

Don't worry this will be our rise.

The rise of the Glorius Rengar Master Race.

NiaphimFeb 21, 20162 votes

But don't forget he deals with most AP mids the same way.

LuxrathFeb 21, 20163 votes

:) yeah they gutted our poor murdercat. But thats what happens when your job is literally hunting adcs and squishy mages. The salt gets so real that they nerf a 50% winrate champ to the ground lol. Hopefully they get rid of the new clunkyness crap and just reduce some damage on his bola or something.

DahakaProdFeb 21, 20163 votes

As a Rengar main I had the same reaction after the nerfs:

Damage down, ok Utility down from unreliable bola, k Ult range indicator up, holy smokes

In reality, Rengar is still fine, if you tweak the build, adapt to the new bola which is much nicer now than one patch before, he's still just as good as before. The new assassin item fills the gap nerfs have made. Be happy with Rengar as he is now, he still does the same job, one shots (went 20/1/5 in plat 2 games) and isn't in the spotlight, it's the spotlight and community bitching that gets champions nerfed, those who are not under the protection of rito ofc.

It's still a feast going against 4 adcs, trust me.

po crlh sffFeb 21, 20161 votes

What is your build? yeah most of the nerfs are meh and the worse one has been reverted and I may be overeacting but the 20%ratio loss seems a huge deal considering i built glass cannon on him. The only item in my build im willing to give up for Duskblade is Lord Dominiks but i still think it does a better job vs beefy fighters making it more well rounded in a build (correct me if im wrong tough)

DahakaProdFeb 22, 20161 votes

You can always check this account on opgg etc for the build but I'll list it here as well.

item 3009 item 1412 item 3142 item 3147 5th item I usually go either item 3156 item 3078 and I've even seen item 3046 , last item usually item 3031

item 3142 second or third is your choice, you get it to negate the ultimate range nerfs item 3009 Same thing, because of the ulti

item 3147 is really, really strong right now, on every AD assassin, awesome stats, ms helps rengo, not to mention the passive.

This is the build I usually run, you can still try crit rengo, don't know which build is better, item 3094 's movement speed got nerfed, that's why most dropped it. You can go a different build if you feel this one doesn't suit you.

item 3147 I wouldn't drop it at all, even if you need item 3036 , 1 out of 10 games you will need LDR and if you do need it, either drop item 3156 / item 3078 as your 5th item.

Win rate wise - in my honest opinion win rates mean very little, before the nerfs Rengar was played so much, he was either always banned or picked in every round where he was not, he didn't receive any buffs, he was popular because of the streamers like Nightblue3 (I love the guy, don't get me wrong), and because of the updated AD items. Rengar has always had a large player base because how cool the champion is, I main him for the very same reason, people just dump "freelo" champs after one nerf and never look back, champion mains stay and adapt after the plebs leave ;)

Edit: accidentally posted 2 identical comments, thus deleted one.

po crlh sffFeb 22, 20161 votes

Thx for the tips mate, i will try Duskblade, the passive is actually perfect on him i just dont like the CD it has. IE triforce combo seems pretty crucial to me because if crit/burst so i'll drop dominiks. yeah i also hate when sheople play something just because they think its freelo, is it that hard to find a champion whose play style you actually enjoy? Well wish me luck

barbarianskullFeb 21, 20162 votes

Well alkali builds tank now so....

Jungle Lux GodFeb 21, 20162 votes

To be fair Rengar was bullshit.

You can't justify a champion having the burst to 100-0 you in the time it takes you to react to him jumping on you.

CudyDarkyzFeb 21, 20162 votes

As a Khazix player. I think change is gud.

CanidaeFeb 21, 20162 votes

Relevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb4ligeRlAk

(this is where I start talking about my perspective) what is this thing about buying pinks vs Rengar? It's impractical and doesn't even work

Yeah, if U use flash vs Rengar ult U may not have it next time, BUT WHO CARES? YOU'RE NOT DEAD. Wasn't that the goal? His counterplay is dumb and different from regular countering (i.e. having to constantly group to do anything), but it shuts him down all the same.

Ya wanna know why Rengar players usually target adcs, it's cause they're too busy farming that next item alone halfway across the map. Being a support main during when Rengar was a fotm was a nightmare, but not because I thought Rengar was broken or anything, it's cause a lot of the adcs I played with acted like they were destined to die to Rengar and thus had to splitpush farm as much as possible to make up for time spent dead. I even tried babysitting them on my AP supports (assassin mains knew enough not to bother with the metric bricktons of armor I stacked on them), but that meant that I couldn't be present for objectives nearly as often and some of the smarter Rengar players would just wait till I left to ult mah adc.

Personally, when I wanted to roam alone as a support, all I really had to do was be a b*tch to kill and I'd be set for the rest of hte game. I would honestly like Assassin Jungler meta to come back so that I can stop worrying about Sated Devourer Jungle meta.

aperson1Feb 21, 20162 votes

Looks like people who've actually mastered his combo have a 55% winrate. I guess Riot is actually balancing Rengar around people who are actually good with him. Maybe instead of crying for buffs, you should try to be one of those people?

po crlh sffFeb 21, 20161 votes

I mastered his combo, i reached plat last season with rengar top and maybe im biased but i dont think the fault was in the champion and i also dont think he deserved the amount of nerfing he got (they took a bit of everything), my only crime was not abusing thunderlords on him. Despite considering myself good with rengar, that doesnt excuse the handicap he has right now, out of the nerfs he received the burst damage nerf is currently the one i consider worst. He is an assassin, and the fact that he has NO escapes after engaging should've justified the ratio on his empQ, right now i consider his burst damage subpar compared to other assassins considering he has no defense mobility to fallback on. Garen has a bigger Q ratio atm its embarassing

CreationFlawFeb 21, 20162 votes

http://imgur.com/AvXVVcD

La BarbotteFeb 21, 20162 votes

its temporary, when the shitty rengar players that only had success because he was broken now lose more games, so when they stop playing him his win rate will climb back up

OverpoweredSoapFeb 21, 20162 votes

He has Ryze syndrome.

His core gameplay style/pattern is pretty hard to balance around all levels of play.

Sire HippingtonFeb 21, 20162 votes

his winrate for experinced rangars, which was absurdly high with ~59% befor, went down to ~54%, which still is a great value.

So basically, you are complaining that you now have to work for your succes with rengar...

po crlh sffFeb 21, 20161 votes

Well not that this makes much of an argument but:

Zed 58.6% fizz 58.3% yasuo 56.40%

Anyways you saw rengar jungle stats, and i played rengar Top ONLY, if you take a look at those stats they are in the gutter, with the E and ult range nerfs he should be balanced in the jungle they could revert the damage one since its really afecting rengar top (at least in my opinion)

WadeWilson1337Feb 21, 20161 votes

Rengar is a zero counterplay, hypersnowballing champion that is good from level 6 all the way into late game. If Rengar is fed and he knows what he is doing, he just DELETES squishies. Stealth is a mechanic that the community and Riot have learned to hate so as long as Rengar has that ultimate, know he will never be in the forgivable high winrate assassin tier like Zed. And quite frankly, good riddance to Rengar.

po crlh sffFeb 21, 20162 votes

well everyone is entitled to an opinion but i dont think rengar had "zero counterplay" just that people overreact and in a game with so many unfair mechanics i dont think rengar's stealth was that gamebreaking, i mean if you think the "!" is insuficient how about a tf popping righ next to you if you are alone? or a nocturne ult out of nowhere? or bruiser yi running at you 1000 miles per hour? If you think about it rengar wast the root of all evil, at least he lacked an effective and was fairly easy to shut down in a teamfight

WadeWilson1337Feb 21, 20161 votes

If Rengar is ahead, there is no counterplay, you cant deny that. You get 100-0d easily. If youre grouped, its a tad different, but in the skirmish/laning phase, Rengar just shits on everything. The difference between TF and Rengar is that when TF ults, you get the gigantic glowing red eye above your head, so you get that warning, and then he has to actually channel to the area that he is going, so you have to add that time as well. TF also doesnt 100-0 you, even though he has a stun, while Rengar has a root. You cant even compare the two, but id figured i would humour someone who honestly believes you can compare a control mage to an assassin. Edit: Buying a pink is not counterplay.

po crlh sffFeb 21, 20161 votes

I agree he is snowbally, a lot really, but so are most if not all assassins, its an assassin trait there's no reason for rengar to get more hatred than the rest. well the gigantic eyeball+ channel time takes about 1.5 seconds to pull, dont make it sound like its longer than it takes rengar to go 800 units (unless its later in the game), and the 100-0 part depends purely on game point altough yes rengar will probably take less itens/level advantage then again tf brings other stuff to the table. Fine if you want to humour me than tell me who do you compare rengar to? And then tell me exactly why he is so much worse

WadeWilson1337Feb 21, 20161 votes

Okay. How about the other main stealth champion in the game: Evelynn. She is reknown for being incredibly annoying and scary to face. However, the difference is while Evelynn is pretty strong early but falls off probably even harder than Lee Sin. Rengar scales, quite well at that. Stealth is a mechanic that is very powerful in the first 10-20 minute chaotic area of the game before people start grouping. But the thing is, Rengar doesnt fall off. Hes not incredibly powerful pre6, but a good Rengar player can abuse the bush hop (which is one of the most ANNOYING things in League especially top lane) to actually pull off invades on champions like Yi. Stealth is just such an unhealthy mechanic thats hard to balance, in the case of Eve she falls off, But Rengar...not at all. He can even build somewhat bruiser because he has high base damage.

po crlh sffFeb 22, 20161 votes

you humored me for comparing rengar with tf and then you compared him to eve srly? Eve's is an early ganker, her passive is pure early game, rengar's stealth is a post level 6 long coooldown ULTIMATE, eve can have permanent stealth, rengar's is 8-12 seconds, eve is a spell caster, rengar is an autoattack dpser. She can ALSO build tanky AND she has better teamfight potencial, yes rengar has better 1v1 and oneshot potencial but that's because he is AD and builds IE. Seriosly shaco would have been a better comparison.