Banner of command in OFA is bullshit: AP champs mostly not viable

Hammermancer·Apr 10, 2018·14 votes·6,374 views

Seriously it negates the value of AP champs when some immune to magic damage cannon minion comes down with enhanced health

36 Comments

archerno1Apr 11, 201814 votes

You can build AD?

https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1940232412/200976052?tab=overview

5 Zoe, enemy 2 banners. 1 Zoe went AD and he dealth with banners. I dont see any issue.

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20181 votes

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MagicFlyingLlamaApr 11, 20184 votes

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u serious? banner is not ONE FOR ALL item only

This is a thread about OFA.

HammermancerApr 11, 20184 votes

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You can build AD?

https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1940232412/200976052?tab=overview

5 Zoe, enemy 2 banners. 1 Zoe went AD and he dealth with banners. I dont see any issue.

because that ruins the point of the mode in some ways

if someone doesnt want to do a build that will get you chewed out in blind pick then why the fuck would they want to do it in a special mode?

being forced to go crit brand just because there's an item in the game that makes AP unable to hold a lane is shitty and just bad balancing at its worst

SpecterVonBarenApr 11, 20185 votes

Because everyone knows that this is a mode where youre team has five of the same champ? I'm pretty sure most people EXPECT at least one person on their team in OFA to go with an alternate build just to diversify their comp. At least one person NEEDS to go with some alternate build purely because there's only four gold sources on the map.

archerno1Apr 11, 20189 votes

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because that ruins the point of the mode in some ways

if someone doesnt want to do a build that will get you chewed out in blind pick then why the fuck would they want to do it in a special mode?

being forced to go crit brand just because there's an item in the game that makes AP unable to hold a lane is shitty and just bad balancing at its worst

There is no point of the mode. If you gonna build all AP they will counter u with banner. That simply it.

TerozuApr 11, 20184 votes

Its an april fools mode. Balance isnt part of the equation.

Votable JesterApr 11, 20187 votes

It isn't an April fool's mode, it was introduced long before now and not as an April Fool's event.

Still, it isn't intended to be balanced, but it is intended to be fun. I think Banner is still necessary though to be able to deal with a team devoted to waveclear.

HammermancerApr 11, 20182 votes

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Its an april fools mode. Balance isnt part of the equation.

It's a bonus game mode not just april fools

the only 'april fools' mode is draven mode

BeatzBoyFTWApr 11, 20181 votes

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It's a bonus game mode not just april fools

the only 'april fools' mode is draven mode

And URF.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 11, 20181 votes

That's URF. OFA was a normal separated game mode like Hexakill & Ascension.

RocketRelmApr 11, 20181 votes

TBH AP champions can still deal with banner pretty effectively most of the time. Clear the wave around the banner minion, then your tower (+minions sometimes) can gang up on it and beat it into submission. The tower still does 40%/70% to melee/ranged, so if it's not a cannon, the tower makes very short work of it after that.

SpecterVonBarenApr 11, 20181 votes

I think what he's talking about is the entire enemy team building it and then making five minions immune to magic damage.

McsquzzyApr 11, 20185 votes

care this is the only way to counter good ap AFO like ( Fiddlesticks Heimerdinger Kassadin Lux Orianna Sona Swain Syndra Velkoz Veigar Xerath Ziggs Zyra Zac Karma Ekko Cassiopeia Akali Anivia Annie Azir Blitzcrank Chogath Galio Fizz Gragas Kennen Malzahar Morgana Ryze Lissandra ) when my team picks Varus or some other squish

ZackTheWaffleManApr 11, 20181 votes

I think it wouldn't screw over Kennen or Akali that hard, as they can get away with building on-hit and some AD, respectively.

Oh, and Ori. On-hit Ori is legit.

McsquzzyApr 11, 20181 votes

Honestly I did on hit or ad builds with half the champs listed either because: I was bored playing the champ the nth time in ofa Or The enemy team did build banners and someone needed to switch so we could destroy them.

MagicFlyingLlamaApr 11, 20184 votes

Yet AP tends to still be at the top of the charts..

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20183 votes

you mean trundle who is at 80% winrate?

MagicFlyingLlamaApr 11, 20181 votes

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you mean trundle who is at 80% winrate?

Something like that.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 11, 20181 votes

TENDS to be.

If there's an outlier, that doesn't mean that everything below them is useless. Nor does it invalidate his claim.

Now, if over half a class were above most mages, that would be a different story.

C9 Squeeky Apr 11, 20183 votes

I don't even play OFA and can see why this is a huge problem.

WimbledofyApr 11, 20181 votes

Play ofa and you will see it actually isn't a huge problem. It's only a problem if everyone on your team is bronze and aren't willing to build diversely.

ninjaroxasApr 11, 20181 votes

Or maybe no one wanted to go ad to begin with? Having to give up your fun because of a single item is dumb

WimbledofyApr 11, 20181 votes

A full ap team is at a big disadvantage if noone is willing to compromise on their build regardless of banner existing. Lots of champs have no waveclear, why should the people that want to play a no wavclear champ have to give up fun just because of a single possible enemy champion class? Banner gives these types of champions a chance.

ninjaroxasApr 11, 20181 votes

but that doesn't work against an ad champ like sivir, and its just an auto win against a ap champs who doesn't have better wave clear then the other team to begin with. and if they are already winning to begin with it makes it so the ap team has no chance

HammermancerApr 11, 20181 votes

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Play ofa and you will see it actually isn't a huge problem. It's only a problem if everyone on your team is bronze and aren't willing to build diversely.

If everyone on your team is bronze then it doesn't matter because whatever gimmick is being abused is too much for bronze to handle

that's not even trying to be insulting, I'm just saying 5 bronze can't handle zyra/heimer/yorick/malphite/tahm/etc anything with stacking gimmicks is too much for bronze players to truly grasp simply because they're generally either new or not as invested in knowing the game more

WimbledofyApr 11, 20181 votes

I don't think you understood what i said. I'm talking about the team of 5 bronzes vs the enemy team building banners. Anyone above that should be able to handle enemy banners. Also plenty of bronze players can handle those gimmicks, they aren't that hard to pull off and the main reason most bronze players are bronze is because they get placed bronze and they don't play more ranked after that.

HammermancerApr 11, 20181 votes

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I don't think you understood what i said. I'm talking about the team of 5 bronzes vs the enemy team building banners. Anyone above that should be able to handle enemy banners. Also plenty of bronze players can handle those gimmicks, they aren't that hard to pull off and the main reason most bronze players are bronze is because they get placed bronze and they don't play more ranked after that.

I understand what you said i just went off on a pointless tangent about how bronze players dont count for counter itemization arguments

Look a team of five ahris who all want to play actual ahri shouldn't be forced to have 1-3 of them go crit ahri just because of one item in the game being built on them

that's all i'm saying, it's too far into counter building, one item shouldnt change the entire kit of a player

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if that philosophy is acceptable, then how many more items of such magnitude should be put into the game? should we ramp up item effects to 11?

should there be multiple items that essentially negate entire champion classes?

WimbledofyApr 11, 20181 votes

1 item doesn't change a players entire kit. The fact that you are all ap and the enemy can build only magic resist makes it so you have to change the items you build. Also ahri is a bad example because she has true damage. Also should 1 champion change the entire kit of a player? Because it also does. Should champions have reduced waveclear or something in one for all because of this? Full ap team comps with great waveclear force the enemy to play around them, why should the enemy team be forced to play around them but it's too much to ask for the ap champions to do the same?

SalamencęApr 11, 20182 votes

People who get banner are just sweaty tryhards tbh

WimbledofyApr 11, 20183 votes

Ah yes, wanting to deal with infinite waveclear is considered tryharding.

VoraciousXApr 11, 20182 votes

Don't get banner/zzrot removed. It's my method for getting over a game more quickly so I can go to the next when people force me to play Darius or some other stupid champ >_>;

RainXBladeApr 11, 20182 votes

Was in a team of 5 Yi's the other day and we were up against 5 Brands and I told everyone on my team to build Banner.

God did I realize how stupid this item is in this game mode.

GigglesOApr 11, 20182 votes

Banner minion is tankier than I am, that is for fucking sure.

FrostQueensPlaneApr 11, 20181 votes

Banner of command makes playing AP champions top impossible. It's an incredibly stupid item that only exists to basically allow tanks to deny an entire class of champion from the lane. They use to deny bruisers too but conqueror basically makes tanks useless against AD champions.