Just check some stats Sorcery has a popularity of ard 20% and within this 20% only ard 5% use phase rush, which means in overall there are ONLY ard 1% of players are using PR
Look at these champs that used SRS before like 
Most of them are trash atm/ using another keystone instead
Just reduce the cd and increase the %MS early game Actually before lv 10, I feel this keystone completely useless
Upvote if you feel the same
Final Spark Lux15 votesI don't think lack of popularity necessarily means it needs to be buffed; that isn't to say it's in a good spot either, but the decision to buff it shouldn't be based on its popularity. Keep in mind we're in a relatively new preseason meta where everyone feels it's necessary to stack as many damage runes as possible.
I think the increase to the base MS % would be nice, but I feel like reducing it's cool-down in tandem would be too much. It's already a fairly low CD as it is.
leakinb18 votesIt's trash so nobody uses it The old SRS has 10 cd only which increases by half now
Terozu1 votesI use it all the time on Ekko and Annie.
ChaddyFantome1 votesI use it all the time on Ekko and Annie.
I used it on Talon exclusively as his Keystone.
Mordepool1 votes[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAXAXGsK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-07T10:43:04.092+0000)
I don't think lack of popularity necessarily means it needs to be buffed; that isn't to say it's in a good spot either, but the decision to buff it shouldn't be based on its popularity. Keep in mind we're in a relatively new preseason meta where everyone feels it's necessary to stack as many damage runes as possible.
I think the increase to the base MS % would be nice, but I feel like reducing it's cool-down in tandem would be too much. It's already a fairly low CD as it is.
Wouldn't want melee getting close to your lux right. Jk.
Jokes aside I'll never pick that Keystone since it's garbage. And there is no way they can buff it that won't make it broken on hypermobile champion since the disparity between Mobile and immobile is immense
Final Spark Lux3 votesWouldn't want melee getting close to your lux right. Jk.
Jokes aside I'll never pick that Keystone since it's garbage. And there is no way they can buff it that won't make it broken on hypermobile champion since the disparity between Mobile and immobile is immense
I'm pretty confident in my positioning, so I don't think this change would really worry me :P
I don't think it's necessarily garbage; we're just in a meta where stacking damage over anything else always seems to win. It's hard for them to buff this in a meaningful way that makes it good for certain champions without making it broken on others. I do think certain melee's could actually use some kind of buff though. They just get kited way too easily.
Mordepool2 votes[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAXAXGsK,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-01-07T22:49:14.700+0000)
I'm pretty confident in my positioning, so I don't think this change would really worry me :P
I don't think it's necessarily garbage; we're just in a meta where stacking damage over anything else always seems to win. It's hard for them to buff this in a meaningful way that makes it good for certain champions without making it broken on others. I do think certain melee's could actually use some kind of buff though. They just get kited way too easily.
A thought I had about that situation was splitting Movement speed into 2 different stats. In combat and out of combat. Melee fighters as a rule have higher in combat MS than other classes but lower out of combat marksmen have lower in combat MS but higher out of combat. With everyone somewhere in between.
This of course being predicated on a Change to definition of "in combat" bonuses. If you attack your in combat
Final Spark Lux1 votesA thought I had about that situation was splitting Movement speed into 2 different stats. In combat and out of combat. Melee fighters as a rule have higher in combat MS than other classes but lower out of combat marksmen have lower in combat MS but higher out of combat. With everyone somewhere in between.
This of course being predicated on a Change to definition of "in combat" bonuses. If you attack your in combat
Man, I feel like that would feel like a really awkward pair of mobility boots. I think it would be too drastic of a game-wide change to make that a good solution. It would probably tilt a lot of people.
It's a really tough spot when it comes to balancing. Obviously certain melees need -something- so they don't get kited to death, but at the same time, we don't want a bunch of faux master yi's running around.
We could always increase the slow reduction on these 
, or maybe make a new item, or add a passive to an existing item kind of like 
where the speed bonus is for melee only?
Mordepool1 votes[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAXAXGsK,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-08T00:50:14.893+0000)
Man, I feel like that would feel like a really awkward pair of mobility boots. I think it would be too drastic of a game-wide change to make that a good solution. It would probably tilt a lot of people.
It's a really tough spot when it comes to balancing. Obviously certain melees need -something- so they don't get kited to death, but at the same time, we don't want a bunch of faux master yi's running around.
We could always increase the slow reduction on these
The slow reduction NEVER feels like a worthwhile buy. To many AOE reapplying slows*.
Final Spark Lux1 votesThe slow reduction NEVER feels like a worthwhile buy. To many AOE reapplying slows*.
Well that's why I think it could be useful if we increased it's slow reduction, though I'm not sure by how much. I think it could help...the problem though is that champions who already have no problem with CC would be even more of a nightmare to deal with.
I remember playing vs this rengar who was apparently very good at him. He was able to instantly break out of every single snare I through at him. (Honestly I didn't even know that was a thing until a teammate told me.)
ChaddyFantome1 votesThe slow reduction NEVER feels like a worthwhile buy. To many AOE reapplying slows*.
It did back when SRS was good.
YumaS2Astral2 votesWouldn't want melee getting close to your lux right. Jk.
Jokes aside I'll never pick that Keystone since it's garbage. And there is no way they can buff it that won't make it broken on hypermobile champion since the disparity between Mobile and immobile is immense
If SRS was balanced before, what make you think that PR can't be balanced now?
AquariusGine4 votesCass main here, she's trash because she doesn't really synergize with any keystone. Phase rush NEEDS to be better early game
koshkyra2 votesHave you tried Aery?
It makes her early game incredibly op in harass if you use it right
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 voteshave u tried fleet foot work with last change ?
anyway most cass of my elo play with aery.
YumaS2Astral1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAXAXGsK,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2018-01-07T20:24:16.013+0000)
have u tried fleet foot work with last change ?
anyway most cass of my elo play with aery.
Even with the AP scaling, you still need to have synergy with auto-attacking in your kit to make good use of it. So there are very few APs that can actually use it, Twisted Fate, Kayle, and Fizz being examples, and even then, they have way better keystones to use.
It would be better if they also made Fleet Footwork proc on single target spells. This way it would be at least a viable option on those champions, albeit a questionable one, since going Precision means you get attack speed (which is not what most of those champions want).
koshkyra4 votesCass, Asol, and Ryze are using aery/comet just fine
Illaoi is abusing using klepto
Darius can use phase rush, grasp, or PTA just fine (grasp is better imo but PTA works with resolve secondary and phase rush is perfectly fine on him)
Morde is still using phase rush or just fine, or even comet/aery
Ahristocats4 votesdarius didn't use SRS before
Nasus did
Morde used it but it was a noobtrap DFT was way stronger (opinion of a morde main)
Malicious Metal3 votesIt wasn't really a noobtrap.
in a solo lane you needed Phase Rush not to get kited into oblivion and it allowed for some great extended trades. You could keep up with Riven to actually apply your damage.
DFT was simply better in Duo lanes where you already got your anti kite in form of your support.
Ahristocats1 votesdidn't think you would comment that thread
that's why i said it was a noobtrap, cuz u would prove me wrong :/
Malicious Metal3 votesNot really, you're right in one regard.
There is a noobtrap, it's not SRS Morde though.
It's top lane Morde.
Mordepool2 votes[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sAXAXGsK,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-07T23:35:45.673+0000)
Not really, you're right in one regard.
There is a noobtrap, it's not SRS Morde though.
It's top lane Morde.
GG at champ select. Atleast midlane you can survive hard lanes
Ðucky1 votesMultiple D1+ korean morde OTPs took SRS into melee matchups top lane, and quite a few took SRS in bot lane as well. DFT was objectively superior for damage, but calling SRS a noob trap is not accurate at all, unless you think you're significantly better than master tier korean mordekaiser mains.
Ahristocats1 votesyes
yes i do, as someone who had 68% win rate on 200 morde games in s7 taking DFT increased your chance of winning by a ton i only took stormraider against braum and ashe
Ðucky1 voteshttp://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=%EB%A0%88%EB%A6%AC%EC%98%A8%EB%93%9C http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=by%EB%B6%88%EB%B9%84 http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=%ED%95%B4%EB%A8%B8%EC%87%BC%ED%81%AC http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=%EB%AA%A8%EB%8D%B0bot
All four of those are master tier in korea, one was in challenger for the majority of season 7, three of them have above a 60% winrate on morde in season 7, three of them have over 250 games in season 7, one is a bot laner, all of them ran SRS into a lot of matchups. IDK why you're so adamant about this.
Like yeah DFT was great, but SRS was extremely good in top lane against melee, and the lack of a replacement for it is one of the reasons morde's playrate has dropped so much. There's also no replacement for DFT as well. Aery is a completely different keystone (and gets outscaled by DFT pretty much right out of the lane phase), and comet is not really all that usable on morde.
Z3Sleeper3 votes5% are using Phase Rush? That's actually a ton more than I thought and literally not outrageously small at all.
MorganFreemanBot5 votes5% are using Phase Rush? That's actually a ton more than I thought and literally not outrageously small at all.
It's 5% of 20%, which is 1% of the original 100%.
Out of 16 keystones, a 'perfect spread' would be 6.25% usage of each mastery. using that as a baseline, Phase Rush is well outside of understandable variance.
This holds true if you crunch the numbers of keystones vs champions. With 134 champions, and 16 keystones, the 'perfect spread' would be 8.375 champions commonly utilizing each keystone. Following this line of math, however, 1.34 champions commonly use phase rush... Which is bizarrely accurate. Basically Morde is the only champion who runs it commonly, with a few other champs who will occasionally pick it up; however even these numbers are probably going to drop, as aery (sp) is better on Morde.
The above numbers are with each champion having a single keystone which they overwhelmingly favor. This obviously isn't the case, but making the numbers more accurate actually shows Phase Rush as being even worse than it does here.
More on topic:
AP Cho has been one of my favorite picks for years, and I used to run Stormrider's on him. It gave needed burst of mobility to turn a Q W combo into an R finis, or to turn a W / W > Q combo into a clean escape from a bad situation or gank.
I, however, cannot use Phase Rush on him now.. Because in order to proc it, I must already be in melee. I think that's the issue, here. Currently rush is only good for kiting; the people who need it fight can't proc it, because they need to already be in range for an extended period to activate it.
Juggernaut6281 votesAm I missing something? Aren't there 15 keystones? 3 per each tree?
MorganFreemanBot1 votesAm I missing something? Aren't there 15 keystones? 3 per each tree?
You're right, there are only 15 keystones. My bad.
Though that does make the issues with phase rush even more obvious.
Z3Sleeper1 votesOh I can't read.
GGLineaR1 votes5% are using Phase Rush? That's actually a ton more than I thought and literally not outrageously small at all.
Given how few keystones there are, yes it is.
If we were talking about 1 champion's playrate out of 140+, then 5% isn't crazy small.
But we are talking about 1 of 15 Keystones. 5% is low.
Z3Sleeper2 votesIt's actually 5% of 20% which is like, 0.25% pick rate.
If it was 5% it'd be fine cuz there's always gonna be popular picks and the average should be 15%.
veigarbage can3 votesVeigar one-trick here, and avid Veigar SRS abuser. Phase Rush feels like discount SRS, and because of it, he lacks a really good keystone mid to late game. Electrocute is only good for the first 10 minutes, because Veigar doesn't need more damage, and Comet is not good because Veigar does enough damage. The only good thing that I found is Summoner Specialist, and for most people like me, I rarely use the "swap summs" ability. It's only good for the Summ CDR.
Humbreonn1 votesSpellbook is great on him. Start the game with defensive spell, swap for TP at first back and swap back to defensive spell after lane phase. I usually go Heal > TP > Ghost/Exhaust. The Ghost reduced cooldown is great lategame.
veigarbage can1 votesSpellbook is great on him. Start the game with defensive spell, swap for TP at first back and swap back to defensive spell after lane phase. I usually go Heal > TP > Ghost/Exhaust. The Ghost reduced cooldown is great lategame.
Oh, Spellbook is good on him, sure, but I almost never find myself using the swapping mechanic; I usually only use the CDR.
Blackstone012 votesAwww yeah, fellow SRS Veigar Master race. So much utility for Veigar, since your problem was always escaping. Jungler ganked? Well I hit Q and W so see you later. Enemy ADC got caught out? Well I just blew them up and now you can’t catch me.
veigarbage can2 votesAwww yeah, fellow SRS Veigar Master race. So much utility for Veigar, since your problem was always escaping. Jungler ganked? Well I hit Q and W so see you later. Enemy ADC got caught out? Well I just blew them up and now you can’t catch me.
FINALLY, someone gets it! People always told me Thunderlords was the best. Veigar has enough damage.
Deathfire2 votesupvote til riot buffs it!
invisiblecat12 votesI don't think it really needs buffs to the power/cd, my issue is on how difficult it is to proc
I will want to take celerity and phase rush on , but I have to land a Q and two E's in order to do that, but by the time the second E hits in a duel I am probably dead
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 voteshum... popularity dosn't mean phase rush need a buff.
And then Darius & Mordekaiser are far from trash due to the keystones... its more related to toplane state (Jayce, heimer, teemo... And the no existense of bruiser)). Illaoi is one of best toplaner atm.
Doozku2 votesIllaoi is taking klepto tho
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesyeah... and she's f*cking enuiyous
sirwaterfles1 voteswrong; alll the others just need a nerf
Kavren20551 votesI think the problem is its made for meele champs to fight ranged but most people who want sorcery aren't melee
Wráthful1 votesthey cucked stormraider's surge fervor thunderlord deathfire touch the only one that got good was grasp. What does it mean? oh yea u guessed it play tank or go home classy riot. i like how Riot cant deal with the champs so they nerf the keystones or items becouse 1 champ abuses something extremely well.
Metallikaiser1 votesI loved Storm Raiders on Mordekaiser, it just feels dumb to now take the same keystone but considerably worse. Mordekaiser's should be taking Aery now, I used to think SRS just barely beat out DFT, but now the extra damage keystone of Aery just feels more worth it, which is a shame because I feel SRS/Phaserush were meant first and foremost for champs like Mordekaiser, and now a keystone which already wasnt being used often, now being used even less makes it worth considering if it needed to be a gimped SRS in the first place.