aren't we tired with "i hit my enemies X times" passive?

KONO RUBICK DA·Jan 12, 2016·5 votes·480 views

i'm saying we but i don't play the game anymore, just asking if people still don't have enough of those.

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ThePartyLeaderJan 12, 20167 votes

Because bonus damage on every aa is super fun and original!

Mirage SeraphJan 12, 20164 votes

I don't mind it so long as its not the exact same thing every time. It's a great tool design wise since it essentially means you have to keep fighting to ramp up your effectiveness while providing a reasonable threshold (3-4 attacks makes non-attack speed builds fine while still making attack speed builds significantly more effective in proccing the extra damage/utility)

I however wouldn't mind going 2 champion releases without it in their kit in some fashion.

AhristocatsJan 12, 20162 votes

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I don't mind it so long as its not the exact same thing every time. It's a great tool design wise since it essentially means you have to keep fighting to ramp up your effectiveness while providing a reasonable threshold (3-4 attacks makes non-attack speed builds fine while still making attack speed builds significantly more effective in proccing the extra damage/utility)

I however wouldn't mind going 2 champion releases without it in their kit in some fashion.

so according to you, we don't already have passive with %hp damage applied on each X attacks?

Mirage SeraphJan 12, 20161 votes

I'm not really sure what you mean, all I said is the "every Xth attack does Y" form of balancing is a good design tool, albeit overused.

Kitten of EvilJan 12, 20162 votes

I agree. I'd say they overuse it, but at the same time, some form of steroid is always necessary for a marksman kit. You've got:

Gains AS under certain circumstances: Varus Jinx KogMaw Ezreal Tristana Sivir

Deal more damage with autos (under certain situations): Corki Draven MissFortune Graves Quinn Kindred Caitlyn (Jhin)

Increased damage based on repeated hits: Ashe Vayne Kalista Twitch , old MF

The point is, if autos are your champion's main source of damage, there's only so much Riot can do to make them unique.

ViashinoWizardJan 12, 20163 votes

It's not "I hit an enemy X times," it's "every fourth attack is extra important."

AhristocatsJan 12, 20161 votes

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It's not "I hit an enemy X times," it's "every fourth attack is extra important."

basically the same except that with the second you can stack it on creeps

QuephaJan 12, 20163 votes

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basically the same except that with the second you can stack it on creeps

No, it's completely different because it's a timing thing that determines your window of power.

Annie doesn't try to repeatedly hit a champ with spells, she gets her stacks and then starts strutting around aggressively because the opponent doesn't want to eat a stun, then she backs off when the spell is blown until she can get stacks again.

"i hit my enemy x times" is a risk/reward mechanic where starting a good trade means you're willing to go a little deeper than you normally would for that extra burst. Vayne shouldn't always go for that third hit but she really really wants that true damage proc (and sometimes she gets punished hard for going for it).

KONO RUBICK DAJan 12, 20162 votes

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No, it's completely different because it's a timing thing that determines your window of power.

Annie doesn't try to repeatedly hit a champ with spells, she gets her stacks and then starts strutting around aggressively because the opponent doesn't want to eat a stun, then she backs off when the spell is blown until she can get stacks again.

"i hit my enemy x times" is a risk/reward mechanic where starting a good trade means you're willing to go a little deeper than you normally would for that extra burst. Vayne shouldn't always go for that third hit but she really really wants that true damage proc (and sometimes she gets punished hard for going for it).

you didn't understand, in teamfight it's the same damn shit you hit them for 3/4 time you get something, it's just that in laning phase one can be used to deny ( Kennen ), while the other is harder to do.

while some have unique passives like Kennen Braum or Varus that needs his spells to do damage, the other are straight bullshit Vayne Jax Ekko MasterYi TwistedFate , just power without gameplay

QuephaJan 12, 20161 votes

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you didn't understand, in teamfight it's the same damn shit you hit them for 3/4 time you get something, it's just that in laning phase one can be used to deny ( ), while the other is harder to do.

while some have unique passives like or that needs his spells to do damage, the other are straight bullshit , just power without gameplay

Two things:

Laning gameplay is just as, if not more, important to distinguishing champions as teamfight gameplay.
Even still, "3 attacks and the 4th gets a bonus" is quite different from "hit the same enemy a few times and get a bonus" in a team fight because enemies are constantly rotating in and out of your threat range and you need to decide if you want to try and get your proc on the guy who backed off or switch to this new target. Again, Vayne is a great example here because if a bruiser with two stacks backs off into the middle of his team she has to decide if she wants to dash into threat range of 2-3 other champs for that proc or back off and start working on a different target. Contrast her with Caitlyn who will just throw out attacks wherever she can safely get them. Then you factor in minion waves which Vayne will tend to ignore since it will disable her stacks, but letting Caitlyn clear them is actually kind of a big deal because it lets her charge up to her next proc.

Dark NephthysJan 12, 20162 votes

Yea it is kind of boring to see either Stack X amount of marks on target, or the do X attack a certain amount of time to get this bonus, I think we have enough of them already.

Apply X amount of Stacks/Marks: Braum Darius Ekko Gnar Kennen Kindred Skarner TahmKench Tristana Varus Vayne Velkoz

Not even going to get into the "do this X amount of time to get bonuses" since they'res to many of them. I'm not saying that Apply X amount of stacks, or having ramping up bonuses for doing X attacks is bad or anything, but we do basically see it in almost every new champion now.

Kitten of EvilJan 12, 20161 votes

What alternatives would you suggest for a marksman? I mean it's either going to be an AD/on-hit/AS boost or it's going to be a hit X times proc. Marksmen NEED attack steroids of some kind to be useful.

D357R0Y3RJan 12, 20161 votes

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What alternatives would you suggest for a marksman? I mean it's either going to be an AD/on-hit/AS boost or it's going to be a hit X times proc. Marksmen NEED attack steroids of some kind to be useful.

Varus is a good example, if he hits 3 time someone, he doesn't get any power yet but he have to cast a spell. the champion is then original and has a better gameplay. While Vayne basically just have to attack. Caitlyn For example get x2 more stacks in a bush, this again increase her gameplay decision.

good examples of no gameplay stacks passive are TwistedFate Vayne MasterYi where they just have to attack

Kitten of EvilJan 12, 20161 votes

Vayne has to attack the same champion repeatedly for her passive. Miss Fortune should not attack the same target repeatedly for her passive. Graves deals more damage when close with his passive. Varus gets an attack speed boost on-kill (and a damage proc based on spells following attacks, but it is not his main source of damage unless he is AP Varus).

Sure, there are ways to vary things, but they are all variations on a theme. "This champion gets increased AS under X situation" and/or "This champion's attack deals more damage under X situation". The only exceptions I can think of are Twitch and Kalista, who have weird stacking mechanics that the community instantly complained were the same.