Do You Lose More LP for Surrendering?
Or is that a myth?
Or is that a myth?
yes you lose 5x more LP from surrendering 
The only thing that affects how much LP you gain or lose, is the difference between your group's average MMR and the opponent's. Gain more LP for beating a higher MMR group, lose more for losing against lower, and the opposite is true.
Actually, under normal circumstances teams will be even (duos gets matched based on average MMR). So the average MMR of your team should be similar to your own personal MMR.
The primary factor for LP gains is the average MMR for your current division vs the Average MMR of the players in your game. If you are Gold V and getting matched with low Silver MMR players, you won't get much LP. Opposite is also true.
tl;dr: Game MMR vs Division MMR.
ok, anyway, MMR. Sometimes I think there should be a big banner when you start ranked that tells you about MMR.
Sometimes I think MMR should just be visible on your profile. It's ridiculous that an unknowable, constantly changing number affects everything from who you're matched with to your LP gains and losses.
Sometimes I think MMR should just be visible on your profile. It's ridiculous that an unknowable, constantly changing number affects everything from who you're matched with to your LP gains and losses.
it's really not, you are matched with people with similar MMR.
If you win significantly more LP than you lose it just means you belong at a higher rank... as long as you keep performing well. If you are losing more than what you are winning it just means your MMR is lower than the league/rank/division you are in and need to raise it by winning more or just accept the fact that if you keep losing you are going to drop. If your gains and losses are similar then you are where you belong as long as you don't get better or worse at the game
Not too long ago I was winning 60+% of my matches, won promo series to reach B4, and went on a 7 win streak. I gained 9 LP for each victory. Lost 27 for my next loss.
But when I've been in a similar situation in B4 with a lower win rate in recent matches, my LP gains and losses seem a lot more normal. I've literally never seen a positive change in what I gain/lose LP wise for matches during the times that I've been playing my best win/loss wise.
I don't think it's asking that much to know the number that affects everything about your ranked experience.
Not too long ago I was winning 60+% of my matches, won promo series to reach B4, and went on a 7 win streak. I gained 9 LP for each victory. Lost 27 for my next loss.
But when I've been in a similar situation in B4 with a lower win rate in recent matches, my LP gains and losses seem a lot more normal. I've literally never seen a positive change in what I gain/lose LP wise for matches during the times that I've been playing my best win/loss wise.
I don't think it's asking that much to know the number that affects everything about your ranked experience.
what would you gain by knowing your MMR? it's just a random number that is only affected by your wins and losses so it's kinda pointless to know what it is.
If a person is trying to move up the ranks, and their MMR in relation to the expected MMR for their current position determines LP losses and gains, then it would definitely help to know. Sites like OP.GG already do averages of their estimated MMRs, letting you know when you're better or worse than your current rank, meaning if actual MMRs were public you could get that same info and have it be 100% accurate.
And with that info you'd be able to track your actual improvement, the kind that matters, your MMR. So say I was to get promoted, I'd know if I was likely to continue climbing or if my MMR was likely to just drag me back down.
I mean, if I saw my MMR never really move out of a certain range that was indicative of a B5, then it'd be a reality check and make me that much more determined to change that. Or if my MMR was on the upswing, it'd have the opposite effect, reassuring me that I can be better, that I can move higher.
As is, I have no black and white way to see where I stand currently. I could get all the way up to B3 and for all I know it might still think I only deserve B5. Knowing my MMR would prevent me from getting my hopes up when I have times like when I mentioned, upping my win rate significantly, winning my promo series, and winning 7 straight for next to no gain, then losing half that in one match.
The mystery just gives me false hope. At least with knowing my true MMR I'd know exactly how much I suck and be able to track if/when I start to stop sucking. That answer your question?
P.S. If you are better than your rank, you'd also know when a promo series will have you skip a division. Likewise, you'd have a decent idea when it's likely to pull that 99 LP crap instead of giving you the full 100 for a promo series due to thinking you're not ready, since your MMR in relation to the next division would make it pretty clear when you're liable to get that.
If a person is trying to move up the ranks, and their MMR in relation to the expected MMR for their current position determines LP losses and gains, then it would definitely help to know. Sites like OP.GG already do averages of their estimated MMRs, letting you know when you're better or worse than your current rank, meaning if actual MMRs were public you could get that same info and have it be 100% accurate.
And with that info you'd be able to track your actual improvement, the kind that matters, your MMR. So say I was to get promoted, I'd know if I was likely to continue climbing or if my MMR was likely to just drag me back down.
I mean, if I saw my MMR never really move out of a certain range that was indicative of a B5, then it'd be a reality check and make me that much more determined to change that. Or if my MMR was on the upswing, it'd have the opposite effect, reassuring me that I can be better, that I can move higher.
As is, I have no black and white way to see where I stand currently. I could get all the way up to B3 and for all I know it might still think I only deserve B5. Knowing my MMR would prevent me from getting my hopes up when I have times like when I mentioned, upping my win rate significantly, winning my promo series, and winning 7 straight for next to no gain, then losing half that in one match.
The mystery just gives me false hope. At least with knowing my true MMR I'd know exactly how much I suck and be able to track if/when I start to stop sucking. That answer your question?
P.S. If you are better than your rank, you'd also know when a promo series will have you skip a division. Likewise, you'd have a decent idea when it's likely to pull that 99 LP crap instead of giving you the full 100 for a promo series due to thinking you're not ready, since your MMR in relation to the next division would make it pretty clear when you're liable to get that.
Riot is not going to give you your accurate MMR anymore, it's largely pointless since you shouldn't need a number to tell you if you are playing at a certain lvl or not. You shouldn't need a number to tell you if you need to improve or not. You shouldn't need a number to tell you "i'm have better MMR than the league i'm in" or "you will be able to skip a division". Those are all things you shouldn't need a number to tell you and things you should be able to determine on your own by simply looking at your LP gains. You can keep saying all this "great things" you can do with knowing your MMR yet you can do those exact things by simply watching your LP gains. Knowing your exact MMR is just making you worry about some number instead of worrying about yourself. Once again, a number shouldn't be the one to tell you that you are doing well or not since if you are really serious about getting to a higher rank then you should be aiming to get better each day
When I can say with confidence that I've improved in every regard, whether it be warding, objective control, targeting, not feeding, playing from behind, CSing, etc. and have stats to reflect that, whether it be my win rate or my stats with each champion, and go from 46% to 49% win rate overall, which was a long haul with 200 or so games played, and my LP losses seem higher and my gains lower than before... then it just leaves me saying "why the hell even bother if I've been working my butt off to improve in every phase of the game, to be more position/champion flexible and help all my teams out, and have seen clear results win/loss wise... and a 7 win streak in B4 nets me a mere 57 LP because my MMR is somehow still in the crapper"?
I'm always trying to improve, that's a given. But clearly according to my MMR I must somehow be failing miserably at that still and so I don't think it's asking that much to want to have a black-and-white accurate measure of where I am in relation to where I should be or want to be. Just because you think they'll never do it doesn't make wanting it and asking for it stupid, since I've seen plenty of people who want to know just as much as I do.
Either this isn't true, or lolnexus gives false data.
The MMR numbers on LolNexus, op.gg and QuickFind are merely approximations.
All three sites will return similar, but not identical, results.
That's a myth. Surrendering will lose you the exact same amount of LP as losing outright. Length of the game, stats, how you win or lose; none of those affect LP in any way.
LP gains and losses are influenced by MMR, though. If your team has an average rating that is much lower than the opposing team, and you win anyway, you will gain much more LP because you beat the odds.
If your team has an average rating that is much lower than the opposing team, and you win anyway, you will gain much more LP because you beat the odds.
That's also mostly a myth. While not incorrect, it's rarely the reason why people gain more or less LP.
Yeah, it doesn't do a whole lot. Where your MMR is compared to your ranking has a much larger influence.
You do lose more LP from surrendering. Because you could win instead and try until the very last second.
No. You don't lose anything different from Surrendering that you do when you lose.