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Unhealthy kits

Toxic Samurai·12/10/2015, 4:09:22 PM·3 votes·1,074 views

This isn't a qq thread about Yasuo,Riven, Ekko or the typical things people complain about or about how strong these champions are. I just want to know what the general community thinks of them. Before typing here, here's what I believe is what a toxic kit is. Before calling a champion toxic these questions need to be considered.

  1. Can I interact with that champion in a meaningful way without having to buy a specific item or play a very specific champion?
  2. Is there anyway I can outplay that champion through game knowledge and mechanics? WIth these 2 simple questions in mind. What are the most unhealthy kits in the game are?

My opinion.

Irelia's kit is kind of an obvious one here, specifically her equilibrium strike creates a no win situation for her opponent. IF she's behind in trades, she wins with the stun; if she's ahead in trades, she'll still slow you and come out in trades if she's ahead in trades in the first place. That being said, there is no working around her e than buying an item.

Old Poppy: Her ult made it so that if she ults someone else, you're unable to interact with her in anyway except run away. She was kept weak because of how ludicrous her ult was.

Old FIora: Her ult made her deal damage to you while also being untargetable. Unable to interact with her during the animation.

12 Comments

Hayaishi212/10/2015, 5:09:52 PM3 votes

Irelia, Sona, Nidalee, Soraka, Fizz, Leblanc, Hecarim, Diana, Akali just to name a few.

People complain about Yasuo, Lee Sin, Thresh, but even though they are bullshit they all have counterplay and can be outplayed.

MisterHealYoGirl12/10/2015, 4:27:15 PM2 votes

Sona has always fit into this category: if she's weak, she's useless, and if she's strong she's oppressive.

Dr. Mundo also probably fits into this category, simply because his kit is so ludicrously simple: of his five abilities, four are just stat boosts.

idontplaythemeta12/10/2015, 4:12:22 PM1 votes

Yoricks kit is unhealthy. Heavy Poke/sustain with no counterplay other than hoping he'll run outta mana.

Sasogwa12/10/2015, 4:15:20 PM1 votes

Well, new Fiora : unable to interact with what you're building against her, except building a magic resist item against a physical-true damage champion, that is probably not good with your champion anyway (item 3140 ).

Tbh, I've always been more annoyed by champions that you can't counterbuild, strategically, than champions who are hard to outplay/ have weak interaction possibilities. The exception being kite-based champions, which are cancer in its purest form.

Ralanr12/10/2015, 5:21:21 PM1 votes

Personally I don't see how I can interact with Riven's kit. I cannot prevent her from dashing, nor can I slow her (because her combo itself is mobile) and she has a knock up in her main combo. It feels like I'm fighting someone who despite being melee, has reliable wave clear by level 3 (sure GP has barrels, but at least you can destroy them before he explodes them or leave the area. Unless you're mobile, then Riven will get you and get away).

I just get enraged fighting her because I don't know how to interact with her kit on a general level.