Low cd tumble with barely any mana issues that can dodge skillshots and harrass with passive to chase down targets. Low attack range doesn't matter when you got all these tools to help survive the early game plus all her counters got nerfed.
DingleNutsMcGee3 votesAgreed. There isnt a single ADC out there that does well against her right now. You used to be able to take Cait against her and keep her down. But not anymore, she poops all over her. Cait is extremely weak right now compared to just about every other adc. I honestly dont know what they need to change about Vayne but she needs some tweaking. She's just too strong right now. Ive thought about all the obvious things....like nerfing her W true dmg, increasing cd on her Q, nerfing the dmg boost from her ultimate, etc....but i dont quite know if thatll do the trick or if itll just run her into the ground
Learning moment1 votesAgreed. There isnt a single ADC out there that does well against her right now. You used to be able to take Cait against her and keep her down. But not anymore, she poops all over her. Cait is extremely weak right now compared to just about every other adc. I honestly dont know what they need to change about Vayne but she needs some tweaking. She's just too strong right now. Ive thought about all the obvious things....like nerfing her W true dmg, increasing cd on her Q, nerfing the dmg boost from her ultimate, etc....but i dont quite know if thatll do the trick or if itll just run her into the ground
Why doesnt cait do well against her anymore? she was buffed, not nerfed and vayne hasnt been touched in over a season? so both champions havnt changed but cait doesnt do well anymore? talking out of your ass.
Learning moment2 votesyoure mid laner who has 3 adc games played this season.... how do you know about her early game?
Toxic Samurai1 votes[{quoted}](name=Learning moment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PEzudigE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-07T01:56:40.333+0000)
youre mid laner who has 3 adc games played this season.... how do you know about her early game?
I played a couple vayne games on snuff
Marthian2 votesRegardless of his play numbers, I main bot lane and she indeed does not have a weak early game whatsoever.
The current state of BoRK isn't helping either, being the best rush item for Vayne, and gives her more benefits than carries rushing Triforce or Infinity Edge (Sustain as part of build path, Cheaper than other two rush items, and a great active)
Learning moment1 votesRegardless of his play numbers, I main bot lane and she indeed does not have a weak early game whatsoever.
The current state of BoRK isn't helping either, being the best rush item for Vayne, and gives her more benefits than carries rushing Triforce or Infinity Edge (Sustain as part of build path, Cheaper than other two rush items, and a great active)
Youre compairing Bork to 2 other core adc items which give different benefits... IE gives empowered crit and 25% crit chance, which is massive, trinity being the weaker of the 3 gives a large amount of HP for early game and empowered autos, while Bork is more for sustain. You can build bork on jinx and it will give her the same benefit as building it on vayne.
Marthian1 votesInfinity Edge only gives 20% critical strike chance (while still good, the item is very expensive and gives no sustain) Triforce gives a wide variety of utility (and has a good build path), but is expensive and again gives no sustain.
And as I mentioned, she gets just as much of a power spike from finishing BoRK as other carries finishing TF or IE, except she also has sustain, gets it sooner (it's cheaper), gets a useful active (that combines absurdly well with her passive and ult) and it has a very friendly build path (fall behind rushing IE? All the components are very expensive, it will be very hard to catch up.. Fall behind with BoRK? No problem, there's plenty of cheap build components that are cheap to upgrade as well as giving good benefits.)
For Vayne/others, that Current% hp on-hit is just as good as the critical hit bonus from IE. Why doesn't everyone else do it too? Because they don't scale with early Attack Speed as they do with early Attack Damage.
As you mentioned, Vayne isn't the only one that benefits greatly from rushing it. But she is one of the more problematic users of it. Jinx, Kalista, and many bruisers also get a bigger than average power spike (in terms of damage items) for finishing BoRK early on despite the intended design was for dealing with tanks later on. Not saying there's anything wrong with her building BoRK first (She scales off Attack Speed better early game), but she gets too much for doing (Which is why BoRK may need nerfs before Vayne.)