Riot can we nerf tank Ekko?

KoKoboto·Aug 18, 2016·15 votes·1,921 views

I literally watched an Ekko with 112 ad and 29ap solo kill my adc between both nexus towers while missing his stun. My adc used heal and was kiting well as Sivir too.

Why was our adc alone? Cleaning up minions after a teamfight and the rest of the team went out to ward up.

Ekko: Sivir:

My Sivir wasn't bad for all the people who say she was, also I would like to emphasize the Ekko killed her while fighting under two nexus turrets while also missing the stun. Some people may be like "Hey why doesn't Sivir have a Last Whisperer item", the only tank was Ekko the rest of the enemy team had very little amount of bonus armour so our team agreed that buying more defensive like G.A would be better.

Am I making this post because I recently lost to a tank Ekko? Yep. However the Tank Ekko build is just insanely unhealthy and that lost which I had little control of just pushed me to venting my rage.

24 Comments

Troll for TrumpAug 18, 20166 votes

Either the gold/xp gap between Sivir and Ekko is ridiculous or the Sivir is really, really bad.

Great OzymandiusAug 19, 20161 votes

They were both full build, so gold gap is irrelevant. And rarely are people full build without being level 18, so exp gap is also irrelevant.

venomous frostAug 18, 20165 votes

tanks can 1v1 ADCs when they have armor items

You say it's ok for somebody with no defense to not die to base damage, but it's not ok to kill somebody with almost no damage items

#doubleStandards

JustSaiyan69Aug 18, 20164 votes

Yep its always fun to see an ekko with full tank items e q then auto proc his passive and one shot my adc then either walk out because he's a tank or press r, either way it's complete bullshit.

venomous frostAug 18, 20165 votes

the only way an ekko 1shots your ADC is if he has like a 3 level lead, at which point his build didnt matter anyway

tank ekko is garbage, i literally outhealed him when i faced him with no tank items whatsoever

JustSaiyan69Aug 18, 20162 votes

I really don't want to try and argue over tank ekko right now, just watch a couple vids of it, or play it yourself, then you'll see how ridiculous it is. gg I'm going to bed.

My Waifu VanillaAug 18, 20161 votes

Tank Ekko (IBG and straight tank) is hardly even played anymore since it DID get nerfed hard with all the base damage hits and such. The much better build is AD Bruiser with Frozen Force and then tank (there is a large difference since you now have 1.5 damage items as opposed to 0.5 in IBG and you also run Fervor over Grasp). Both of these Ekko builds fall off like a brick if he loses lane since he NEEDS an exp lead to be relevant since a good 60% of his damage is still from his base damages and being the same level as their ADC because you lost lane means you aren't doing anything.

Ekko's laning phase is still rather lackluster and snowball reliant (which is a majority of "meta" top laners right now such as Ekko, GP, Illaoi, Irelia, etc.) so just camp him since he WILL usually play aggro if he can and his dash is on a long af cd at rank 1.

JustSaiyan69Aug 19, 20161 votes

Like I said I'm not arguing about this. I don't know why you even sent me this big ass wall of text, I'm not reading it.

HongChongDongAug 18, 20163 votes

The issue is that he's definitely fallen hard and isn't that much of a threat anymore. Tanks will kill your squishies if left unattended but they typically suck at getting to them unless you play like an idiot. Yes, they have CC which is what they're meant for, BUT a majority of them lack the ability to get anywhere.

AwesomeChadAug 18, 20162 votes

Riot's logic "Hey, lets buff a champion a bunch of times or make a bunch of changes to the game without waiting to see if one change/buff is enough."

WarpesAug 18, 20162 votes

you realize you people aren't even complaining about "tank ekko" right? you're complaining about tanks in general, and you're complaining about the fact that most people still don't know how to play against ekko period, regardless of how he builds.

which is basically the same for every assassin in existence (see nonstop zed, leblanc, fizz, yasuo, and akali threads... even riven, lee sin, and nidalee). but tank ekko isn't even strong anymore... he's "ok" but that's it. easily countered now and falls off hard.

but any champ that gets super fed no matter how strong or weak is going to decimate an adc, especially a bad adc. learn to play your roles and stop whining about something that's already been nerfed this hard.

{quoted}

Riot's logic "Hey, lets buff a champion a bunch of times or make a bunch of changes to the game without waiting to see if one change/buff is enough."

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

KoKobotoAug 18, 20161 votes

I generally agree that he's not horrible and normally I play draft pick. My team or I find counters or play the game to shut him down (usually I do for my personal hatred for the playstyle). However this was a blindpick game and my team could do nothing about taking him down because of it really. I feel tank Ekko needs to be nerfed. I'm not complaining about tanks in general, tanks are fine. But Ekko is way too easy to pull off and has way too much threat on carries while also being a lot more difficult to kill because of his tank build. Point click blink gap closer into point blank Q for ~60% slow and he gains ~80% movement speed.

Edit: Yeah my wording is terrible, lemme rephrase. Tank Ekko isn't GAME BREAKING but it's so god damn annoying/unfun/cancerous that I feel it should be nerfed.

A lot of people in the past complained about assassins,tanks,adcs etc. I never really cared because I know that you just have to change the way you play in order to beat stuff. Tank Ekko is the same, but the amount of bullshit the champion has is just bullshit.

Great OzymandiusAug 19, 20161 votes

No, ekko is not a tank. A tank would be sejuani, maoki, malphite, amumu, rammus, chogath, etc. Do any of these champion have insane mobility, get out of jail free cards, high spamable base damage, and top-tier early games in top lane? Ekko builds tank, but his kit has all sorts of things that should not be on a tank.

It's not any one thing with Ekko. It's how his entire kit comes together into a steaming pile of bullshit. No champion should have escapes, shields, heals, movespeed slows, speed boosts, and stuns on top of high base damages, low cooldowns, and essentially mana-free harass early game. It's an inherently toxic kit and it needs to be nerfed into oblivion until Riot figures out a real fix for Ekko.

I don't think any of the tanks I mentioned are able to 1v1 a full-build equal-skill sivir. Many of them can 1v1 the adc at midgame. Ekko is strong at all stages of the game.

Great MutaAug 18, 20162 votes

We had a Sejuani, Leona and Trundle vs an Ekko today and he still was getting away a bunch of times. Bullshit champion. Should have never been made.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 19, 20162 votes

I call bullshit. unless that sivir had low hp. no way. with a bloodthirster. just no. especially with resistances from GA. he would absolutely take forever to kill even sivir that can spell block one of his abilities. terrible sivir play

CaítlynAug 18, 20161 votes

This happens all the time yet people still think ADCs op.

JerulEonAug 18, 20161 votes

Triforce Ekko is cancer. Just like every other champion who abuses it and becomes unkillable while dealing tons of damage.

ChaosThiefAug 18, 20161 votes

I don't think you're using the word "literally" correctly...

Also, 112 AD and 29 AP doesn't tell nearly enough. What was the gold difference, what items did they both have, level? How far into the game was it?

Great, he can dive two towers. For all we know he could've only been targeted for 1 second before ulting out.

KoKobotoAug 18, 20161 votes

I think I'm using the word literally correctly because I literally in truth from my typed up words watched Ekko kill Sivir. I'm not exaggerating or anything. 100-0 under the towers whilst missing his stun.

DunkinNoobsAug 18, 20161 votes

Triforce Ekko is nowhere near as good as Tank Ekko was early in the season. In fact, Triforce Ekko really isn't that good in general in anything outside of 1v1's, and even then, he loses to stronger duelists. Triforce Ekko is the most overhyped thing I've seen in quite a while and I have no idea why people are so convinced it's broken.

My Waifu VanillaAug 18, 20161 votes

Except Triforce Ekko isn't doing anything besides 1v1. He is basically Tryndamere in which he wins lane and never leaves top lane unless he has to since his Trinity will melt towers (and if you send more than 1 person he just runs away by stealing someones MS and his team takes objectives elsewhere).

MunchCrunchLunchAug 19, 20161 votes

i can list 30 champions that can 1v1 triforce ekko. no wait. i can name 80 champions that can 1v1 triforce ekko. ekko is annoying. these (ekko killed me under the turret) stories are because every time a top laner is ahead they're like 5 levels ahead of the adc. thats a big fucking gap.

My Waifu VanillaAug 19, 20161 votes

I agree with you. He isn't OP more than he is an annoyance. As mastery 7 Ekko I can vouch he isn't 100-0'ing ANYTHING as his burst might do 100-40 or a bit lower but nothing is going to 1 shot unless (as you said) he has a 5+ level lead. You literally use the Shaco/Tryndamere/Singed mentality where you win by being the most annoying motherf*cker on the map and let your team do the rest since your teamfighting is "meh" unless you get a good flank or they just let you walk up to their back line.

IceKingChernobogAug 18, 20161 votes

I think it will come the the point where they're gonna have to cripple ekko. The problem is his utility. For an assassin he has WAY too much utility. 3 slows, 1 AoE stun, 1 movement speed buff, 2 escape/engage options, and an AoE nuke. They keep nerfing his base stats and increasing his scaling and what do ya know, he's still building items like item 3083 item 3065 item 3025 item 3143 item 1401 item 3075 item 3110 and he's doing damage. It WILL come to the point where they're gonna have to strip away utility from his kit to actually balance him. Or give his kit a straight up rework.