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@riot As a kha'zix main, for the assassin rework I would really like to see one thing:

GULAG 4 U··12 votes·2,077 views

Please break his QEW evolution order. Please make it that it's no longer QEW mandatorily every single game, but you can actually evolve anything in any order without being called troll within kha'zix players. In order words, Increase the significance of W&R, and make him less reliant on isolation (So he's not forced to evolve Q)

ps: Evolving ult on kha'zix is rarely necessary, unless the enemy has some slippery target/aa reliant enemies

Couple of ult (Evolved) change ideas:

When you activate Q from ult, it deals the isolated dmg (Nerfing evolved q nuke would be useful here or it would deal less dmg). With this change, evolving ult for stronger ganks without fcking up your damage would be really nice. This change allows evoling ult first being legit and stops the "MUST EVOLVE Q OR U TROLL GG" crap.

Also his passive could be changed. It's really meh outside the slow and the animation is meh. The dmg isn't really good neither. It's not a bad passive, but it feels underwhelming.

Like make evolution orders varying on playstyle and builds would be awesome. Thank you :D

Edit: Pls post opinions on why you wouldn't want kha'zix to have more variation of evolution orders.

TLDR: Pls make many possible evolution orders viable again.

Edit: This post is about how to change the evolutions. This is not a cry for buffs and it isn't a discussion about how to evolve his skills.

59 Comments

Penns2 votes

I always go qwr... Am I bad? :o

GULAG 4 U4 votes

Not taking your resets is really stupid, no offence. You need them in order to kill someone and gtfo. It allows you to kill someone from even further away, always evolve it second/first.

QEW right now is the best. R is honestly meh. W isn't much better too.

Penns1 votes

Yeah that was a typo lol, I meant QER.

GULAG 4 U5 votes

It's okay. You should look to evolve things depending on situations.

Ex: Fed adc? Evolving R is better. It will help you chase thru kite and prevent them to rightclick your bug ass for 1200 damage.

W: Your team doesn't engage? Take this. need aoe poke? Take this. Don't want to change colour? take this.

Da3awss1 votes

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I always go qwr... Am I bad? :o

Wouldn't say bad, if you are good with him. Just seems like a waste, who wouldn't want an improved E.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Yeah. Because the evolved E is simply too useful to pass.

CoolKnightST2 votes

To be honnest they should just rethink the evolution idea. I have a feeling the evolution should make him capable to adapt when the game progresses. Currently I don't have the feeling it's the case with Kha right now. You just upgrade 3 of the 4 of your abilities and that's it.

I think it would be better to go into the ryze direction with only 2 ranks in his ult & an additional point in his Q. This means he can only evolve 2 abilities anymore. Ranking this abilities should give him utility or raw power depending what he needs todo in that game:

  • Q: Raw power (more isolation damage) -> Basicly rengar style
  • W: Stronger slow -> Good for picks
  • E: Resets on kill/assist -> Good for teamfight cleanup
  • R: I have a feeling this need to change a little bit but I'm not sure what
GULAG 4 U1 votes

The problem is the suggestions you suggested do not reflect adapting seriously. In your case It would be EQ any game.

Disulfiram1 votes

What about: Evolved Q -> Q gets bonus armor penetration and %hp damage -> evolve vs tanks Evolved W -> root instead of slow -> evolve to get better CC when you're behind Evolved E -> its range is reduced but only every other cast triggers its cooldown (this is shamelessly copied from the Turian Cabal in ME3) -> evolve to get better sticking to target and kiting/dodging Evolved R -> while stealthed, every target counts as isolated -> evolve to get better assassination power in teamfights (better if the overall damage of his kit is reduced and the isolation bonus is increased)

Of course being able to only evolve 2 would mean you have to choose: if you for example evolve Q instead of R, you become a tank killer but miss out on assassination.

Or, instead of having 2 evolutions, you could still get 3 "evolution points" to use but you need 2 on the same skill in order to unlock the full bonus (this way a "jack of all trades, master of none" build would become possible)

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Q. Kha'zix is an assassin, he shouldn't be trying to fight a tank. But it's not a bad idea, but this might be a little hard to balance.

W. A root on an assassin isn't really a good idea. Also you would need to change his spikes, since otherwise it would make as much as sense as how teemo can blind lee song.

E. It's not really great on an assassin honestly... you need to burst and gtfo, not kite someone...

R-> That's a good idea, the only problem is that it's really though to balance.

Overall if this went live, then e and q would be pretty much dumpster trash.

Disulfiram1 votes

Sorry, I didn't explain myself well enough: my idea was (combined with the "need 2 points for 1 full evolution, only get 3 points" part) that his evolutions would change and define his role within the team.

Evolve Q -> he's an anti-tank Evolve W -> he can be a CC tank Evolve E -> he's a fighter Evolve R -> he's an assassin

Imho this would make each of them much more important: rather than changing and defining just his assassination path, they would determine his entire identity for the current game.

This would make him similar to a Lee Sin in that he'd have the potential to be anything, but instead of falling off lategame he'd have to ultimately commit to his chosen build.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

He's supposed to be an assassin, nothing else really. His q cooldown would have to be low af or nonexistent in order to be an anti tank.

A cc tank with the damage he has is a bad idea. He's an assassin. Not a tank.

E. He's an assassin. We shouldn't make him a fighter.

R. k

VivaLaKitten2 votes

nerfing Kha'Zix's Q is like nerfing Zilean's bombs it's his only damage source he needs more reliability not less if you nerf his Q to just buff his other abilities he'll be so weak his 2nd is a slow and 3rd is mobility, they don't need buffs because his Q is ALL of his damage and the others are utility

GULAG 4 U1 votes

So if k6 is dealing too much damage, instead of nerfing his extreme q damage we should give him-5 damage? If his q deals too much damage, we should nerf his w's range?

VivaLaKitten1 votes

but he's not dealing too much damage? right now everyone thinks he's kinda weak because he doesn't really fair well in a lot of situations he's an assassin, and assassin's do damage that's what he does :P

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I said if, I'm not saying he's dealing too much damage. Also yes assassins deal damage, but when you nerf an assassin, you nerf the damage. Zed's q got nerfed, and he isn't trash. Also he's not weak. Like just no.

VivaLaKitten1 votes

of course he's not weak :P he's just highly unreliable

GULAG 4 U1 votes

That has nothing to do about nerfing his Q.

HaloDragonX1 votes

I'd say also powershift him. His Q dealing THAT much damage is pretty pretty pretty insane. Move some to his other abilities.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

It has counter play though. Stay near allies minions etc.

HaloDragonX1 votes

If only it was that easy when he counterjungles or ganks..

GULAG 4 U1 votes

What about warding? His ganks arent that strong, unlike Hecarim. But the idea to power shift isn't bad, it it would most likely hurt his clear.

Naomi CoffeeGoat1 votes

I really wouldn't say that passive is underwhelming. It's ridiculously strong if you manage it properly. I play top Kha'Zix a ton and melee matchups hilariously good for me when I can Q>Auto to get thunderlords off and refresh it by walking into brush. It doing extra magic damage also helps as magic resist runes are usually swappable with cdr runes. Also the slow when you're ganking really is good at giving that extra bit of CC you need to kill your target. Also it's a bit of extra damage to your autos and can be refreshed by your ult when you already use your ult to get cooldowns and reposition. Kha's passive is really effective and it does its job extremely well.

In short the passive is good at trading in lane, ganking, and murdering.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I manage it but it's like 15 damage man... I like the cc, but the damage really feels meh at this point.

Naomi CoffeeGoat1 votes

According to the wiki it does 55 bonus magic damage by the time you hit level 6. It's better than not having that damage.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I guess you're right.

LuunaLily1 votes

I don't think I ever evolve my w, it doesn't really seem to useful to me. Especially since you get more passive procs off of evolving your r for the extra unseen threat dmg. Plus I usually hit most of my enemies with un-evolved w anyway. I think he's a little too reliant on his q evolution to get any dmg out whatsoever. Plus I think he could really benefit from some new assassin items. Personally lots of them don't feel "ideal" on Kha for me.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Evolved w gives more poke and you use it more. That's why people run it. It's not great tbh.

Best Valor NA1 votes

As someone who plays kha a shit ton, i always have gone QER/QEW, but 90% of the people i see playing kha now are going EQW

GULAG 4 U1 votes

EQW will make you lose level 6 damage. Unless your laners have cc it's not a good idea.

TheSingularity1 votes

R>E>Q cos cinderhulk kha zix OP XD

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Why play bruiser kha'zix? There are better real bruisers out there.

TheSingularity1 votes

I like to be different [slayer-jinx-wink]

Revali1 votes

I always thought they went qer for upgrades. huh.

Just a question, E is his leap right? I can never remember if his spikes are E or W.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Q is the claws. *are the claws W are the spikes. E is the leap. R is the ult.

ScorpionPutin1 votes

I go EQR every single game. I guess it's just me.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

You could, but you would miss level 6 damage.

ScorpionPutin1 votes

It really doesn't matter,kha'zix has alot of damage already. Plus it's so much easier to gank with.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Most of the time the level 6 powerspike with EvoQ and warrior is really too strong to pass off. Evolving E can be good, but it's utility. Q is raw damage. You're an assassin, you would need the raw damage over utility. Also this thread is about changing his evolutions and not really how you should evolve them.

Get Singed1 votes

QER is my normal evolution line if I'm playing Kha'Zix top. QER or EQR when I'm jungling depending on whether I need the extra leap range to successfully gank enemy laners, or if I want to just get fed off the enemy jungler. The only time I ever evolve W is if I kill Rengar in The Hunt Is On. No need for an extra slow when I can 1shot anything with my combo. If I really need an extra slow for tanky champs who try to run away, 3 procs of my passive off my ult is good enough and gives more sustained damage.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

This isn't about how to play passive, but how kha'zix should be changed: Actually adapt to the game and have some versatility instead of mindlessly going Q-E-W/R.

VivaLaKitten1 votes

Kha Zix is the first champ I ever played, and the first champion I ever saved up for and he is my favorite champion I love everything about his kit it screams fun even if it isn't the best

changing his kit would just . . . http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Ma35a52b4621864495b9a0d363a55e654o0&w=264&h=236&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Did you even read my post or you just mindlessly downvote me? I said change the evolutions so he actually adapts, not QEW/E (EQW/R) every single game.

VivaLaKitten1 votes

I don't want his kit changed, it's so fun the way it is surely you didn't write all this to say "just keep him the same"? and I did read all of it, it suggests change, I don't want change he's so fun as of now and I have a feeling that if you change him he'll start hopping between too broken and too weak and eventually end up in a state where he's just "yeah that champ, uh . . . he exists" (like Yorick or Aatrox) and I won't recognize him anymore, save the name like Gangplank

GULAG 4 U1 votes

He's oftenly too weak or too op too. It's not fun to be stuck in a teamfight where you can do nothing too. Also you didn't understand what I was proposing. I'm asking riot to make evolution orders viable again, instead of QEW/R every single game. The isolation mechanics are still there. This isn't even a rework. It's almost like slightly toning down evolved Q but give it something else, making evolved R and W good again.

VivaLaKitten1 votes

whatevs :P just hope I don't hate the changes have fun best wishes

SwiftKitten881 votes

i stopped playing kha recently.. but i totally agree

the damage different between upgraded Q and ungraded Q is SOO HUGE

and the RESET on his jungle is also extremely important. (albeit not as important as his Q)

if they would just make his Q get better per lvl instead of having an ABSURD spike at lvl 6 when u upgrade it it would allow is to upgrades other things. and there is no reason why kha cant have a reset on his jump at lvl 1 like Tristana does.

his W and R evolution arn't even "bad" per say.. they just crap compared to his Q and E.

PLUS i would LOVE to see a way to get a 4th evolution when the enemy team doesn't have Rengar

rengar can no longer lose stacks from his necklace.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I think the level 6 spike is fine, it's just that he would actually be healthier if you allow him to create artificial isolation via evolving ult/w, because now you can nerf his insane q damage without shitting on him.

redfeenix1 votes

Correct my if I'm wrong but it looks like they're targetting assassins with a attack modifier q. (Talon, Rengar).

If khazix makes it on this list, I'm gonna assume that they will rework his q just like talon and rengar. HOWEVER, I think his q is not an auto attack modifier, so IDK if he's even gonna be on the rework list. His skillset is pretty fun

GULAG 4 U1 votes

He's prolly getting QOL changes. Nothing major.

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