Stop spamming shitposts in gameplay saying this. seriously. It isn't.
First, camille's can only trap one god damn person. J4's can trap an entire team. J4's also deals HUGE amount of AOE damage, and it lasts MUCH longer. It's also MUCH smaller, making it easier to dunk you wombos on your victim's ass and the limited space prevents them from doding anything. Also camille's ult range is smaller and people can go into it.
Death and Doom37 voteslook at xin zhao. his ult is just plain outdated compared to this. i agree, j4's ult is fine.
im not saying rework xin zhao, just that xin zhao's ult is a worse version of this.
GULAG 4 U6 votesXZ's stuns and deals damage though, so camille's R isn't a powercreep in that case nether.
Hawkefire10 votesXin Zhao's ult knocks them back and stuns them for .75 seconds true, however I believe that most of the stun duration is used during the actual knockback itself. When you compare that to Camille's ult which does essentially the exact same thing except for the stun and the cage effect (which again, I don't even think it really stuns you for that long at all, at least in my experience of both playing as Xin Zhao and being on the receiving end of his ult), it really does feel kinda bad.
However, that being said, as some have pointed out you can indeed walk through the walls of Camille's cage (unless you were the target of her ult), and the video that they have detailing the ability does not show this at all and STRONGLY implies the exact opposite (that all allied units that were not targeted by her ult cannot cross into her ult). I feel that this is the reason why so many people are saying that this is a superior version to jarvan's ult, and I feel this is part of the reason why so many feel that it far overshadows Xin's ult.
RainbowIcee4 votesHer ult also doesn't feel outragious at all tbh, considering some champs have ridiculous ult if allies can walk into her ult her ult would feel like shit. As for Xin Zhao his ult isn't really his bread and butter though. xin zhao would more than likely beat up camile. Thus is probably a lot more dangerous to have zin xao on you than her. Also i believe allies can still assist you from the outside such as Janna's ult, a riot member did mention something about that being the method to counter her ult. If that is so then maybe it's believable that skill shots can make it through the cage (?) maybe
EbonyBladeJ884 votesOn the note of Xin, he will most likely be getting some changes in the so-called Diver Update, as I get the impression that's what Riot will classify him as, if they haven't already.
Zerenza2 votesHim, Jax, Aatrox, Irelia and Pantheon are all classified by riot as Diver's even if it says fighter in the client thats basically the same thing.
Xikini6 votes
Forgetting someone?
Zerenza2 votesThe ones i listed are classified by riot as "Pure Diver's" as in they don't overlap much with other classes, expection being irelia who can go tank. Nautilus is more of a tank that CAN be a diver not a diver that can be a tank.
Xikini8 votesThe ones i listed are classified by riot as "Pure Diver's" as in they don't overlap much with other classes, expection being irelia who can go tank. Nautilus is more of a tank that CAN be a diver not a diver that can be a tank.
That joke went way over your head. [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Hawkefire4 votesYou can walk right through the walls if you were not targeted by the ult (both into the circle or out of it). So yes, you can directly aid your ally that was targeted by Camille.
I just wish the video on the ability actually showed that, because it actually implies the opposite effect (where all are blocked out and thus forms an arena where Camille and her target fight mono-e-mono). If they changed the vid so it actually shows that, I think a large amount of the complaining that is going on right now would be nonexistent.
9kPluzZ4 votesXin is a gladiator tho, he doesn't rely on tricks/technology to overwhelm this foes. He only has his spear. Even if Xin magicly made a Camilla ult area it would stupid. It makes sense for a robot to have this move using tech, not Xin. Riot stole her ult from "Evolve" a futuristic game. I say we give Xin poppy's old ult onto his R
Awoof3 votesXin is a gladiator tho, he doesn't rely on tricks/technology to overwhelm this foes. He only has his spear. Even if Xin magicly made a Camilla ult area it would stupid. It makes sense for a robot to have this move using tech, not Xin.
I mean, there are many things that logically are stupid in this game. A gladiator forcing you into an arena fight wouldn't be an outcry from that. I think it makes just as much sense as that Camille makes some zone that for some reason everyone can walk through but one person, and which doesn't really have anything to do with her either.
I say we give Xin poppy's old ult onto his R
Then he'd need to be reworked immediately to get rid of it again. :P
Glory ln Death3 votesIf you actually look at the animation of her ult, there are 3 magicky Hextech cords or chains attaching the target to the edges of the zome. So, yes, it makes perfect sense that they can't leave since they are physically chained in.
JustMonika1312 votesHow DARE you be reasonable!?
GULAG 4 U2 votesoops, I forgot to be a crying QQer
SoryInAdvance1 votesyou didnt even complain about vayne once
GULAG 4 U1 votesI don't find her being the OP Pos everybody think she is, but that's just my opinion.
SoryInAdvance1 votesi completely agree lol
Velzard of Koz2 votesI don't even care what the joke is to be honest, that Dravona Lisa is just perfection manifestation incarnate.
Sire Hippington3 votesyou forgot some stuff, like his beeing a huge aoe nuke, not only preventing people from getting out, but also from getting in and generally blocking pathing like an anivia wall(can also completely seal of choke points in the jungle), and it has rougthly twice the range of hers.
That said, the rest of her kit is rediculous at the current tuneing....
I Q1 votesyou forgot some stuff, like it beeing a huge aoe nuke, not only preventing people from getting out,
Im pretty sure it does no damage except enhance your autos.
Sire Hippington5 voteswas talking about J4's ult, sorry if that was unclear
bad arcade kitty3 votescertainly it's a powercreep of xin's ult, just like the rest of her skill set is a powercreep of xin's
TheHappyReaperz1 votesHow in away way is her kit like Xins?
bad arcade kitty1 votesHow in away way is her kit like Xins?
all her skills are improved versions of xin skills, check it yourself
MLDzXnRRR1 votes[{quoted}](name=bad arcade kitty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXBffH04,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2016-11-23T04:52:16.916+0000)
all her skills are improved versions of xin skills, check it yourself
She is Fiora 2.0 with J4/Xin style isolation ult...
Wyrmblade1 votesShe's not like Fiora at all really, she just looks a lot like her.
She's similar to Fiora in that she's a stabby upperclass lady that requires decent mechanical skill to play, but in practice they play completely differently. Camille has massively better target selection and tankiness than Fiora but less in combat mobility.
Shynkle1 votesActually, if you play her, she really does feel like Fiora in terms of how you play her and how she fits.
Shuyin1783 votes[{quoted}](name=bad arcade kitty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXBffH04,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2016-11-23T04:52:16.916+0000)
all her skills are improved versions of xin skills, check it yourself
I can't tell I Troll or what..... She doesn't have a knockup, her enhanced AA Damage is only 2 hits (with the 2nd only doing damage if delayed), her attack speed buff is on her missable E, her heal is on a missable W which has a decently long cooldown instead of every 3 auto attacks. The only thing you could actually relate to Xin is the ult knocking away every enemy except the person you want to kill, that's it..... you should learn champion mechanics before making comparisons.
bad arcade kitty1 votesI can't tell I Troll or what.....
i can't tell you troll of what too
She doesn't have a knockup, her enhanced AA Damage is only 2 hits (with the 2nd only doing damage if delayed), her attack speed buff is on her missable E, her heal is on a missable W which has a decently long cooldown instead of every 3 auto attacks. The only thing you could actually relate to Xin is the ult knocking away every enemy except the person you want to kill, that's it..... you should learn champion mechanics before making comparisons.
so, you realize she has heal, hard cc (stun instead of knock up), as speed buff, enhanced aa damage and knockback just like xin? that certain mix of things makes her kit very close to xin's
Shuyin1782 votesThere are 6+ other champions with that same CC mixes, doesn't make them the same kit by any means though because how she brawls is different from everyone else's styles.
She's the only champion with a double-auto reset built into the kit (ignoring items), the only champion with true Spider-man like movement, the only champion with a true tackle stun, and the only champion with a true lock-down prison in her ult.
Chibi Bronzlife1 votesI disagree, last I checked Xin didn't jump off walls, get weird shields, have an AoE in his basic abilities, or a double active auto boost.
bad arcade kitty1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chibi Bronzlife,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXBffH04,comment-id=00080002,timestamp=2016-11-23T22:45:01.610+0000)
I disagree, last I checked Xin didn't jump off walls, get weird shields, have an AoE in his basic abilities, or a double active auto boost.
that's why she is a powercreeped version of xin
Chibi Bronzlife1 votesWhat my statement says is that they are completely different. You may believe what you want to believe, but that does not make it true. I'll just agree to disagree here, since Xin is a sustained dmg/healing jungler where as Camille is I hope I kill my target and survive top laner, though I'll likely play her in support a lot of walls there to jump off of and stun.
Chibi Bronzlife2 votesLet's break this down.
There are some immediate counters to this champion listed below and how they counter.
Janna, just has to walk into the field and ult forcing Camille out, or just ulting if she is the target (second part assumes they aren't stunned which there is no confirmation that they are stunned). Tahm Kench, just has to eat the intended target. Lee Sin, Can kick Camille out of her ult field canceling the ult the same way Janna can push her out Azir, should be able to knock Camille out of the field with his ult, and because of how his ult works prevent her from re-engaging Kindred and Taric, both can make target unkillable.
Now a minor counter that only really works some of the time Kalista, in the event that a support is the target Kalista can ult the support out.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesSo I'd like to point out:
A Basic Island1 votesUh, it kinda is
most people forget j4 is old as shit and when he was made, he was working as intended.
There were very few champs that could actually escape it without burning flash
Over the years, every champ can escape it it seems.
J4s ult is also likely from a time when their coding wasn't anywhere near as good, so they probably couldn't even pull off camille back then, but can now
With better developers/coders/whatever, they're now able to do what they wanted with j4
GULAG 4 U3 votesThe past doesn't matter when we play in the present. It's actually the opposite in fact, Camille's ult doesn't deal damage, less range, other people can enter it too. All of this just so the OG target must 1v1 you.
Fondling Gems1 votesJust feel like I should throw it in the Camille's ult range feels like shit. Seriously, every time I use it I wonder why it isn't going off before realizing I have to be standing half a Teemo away to cast it, which is a huge nerf when we are comparing it to J4's ult which is a medium range ability, a gapcloser, and does aoe burst damage.
Chibi Bronzlife1 voteshonestly you should be comboing ult off of wall dive it's the only engage you have and should be using it for an opportunity to land your ult.
Fondling Gems1 votesYes I know that. Kinda like how you usually combo J4 ult off of his Flag and drag. The discussion on how her ult isn't just a powercreep of J4's with my evidence being that it doesn't have anywhere near the same range. Her E comboing into that isn't directly relevant as we are comparing the ults in their own. Even if we weren't however J4's flag and drag has slightly less range in return for a shorter cd and much more control.
Zerenza2 votesA rioter commented on a post asking if Camille's Ult was just a better J4 Ult
His response
"Let me put it like this, J4's ult is small, it deals lots of damage and can trap an entire team. When playing with a J4 you'll commonly use champs like Miss Fortune, Katarina or Brand.
With cammile her Ult does the opposite, it singles out one target and pushes everyone away, its AA steroid as well. Camille is the dream of an Assassin, she can help set up the assassin on her team to take someone out of the fight.
See the difference?"
A Basic Island2 votesagain, sounds alot like what they intended for J4 on RELEASE. Back then, he really did trap just about anyone caught in it making them easy pickings for assassians or mages
j4 ult wasn't always a huge aoe nuke, they changed that a few years later when more and more champions came out that could escape his ult with basic abilities.
