What Change(s) Made Ranged Supports Building Tank So Unviable?

Draehl··1 votes·292 views

I returned to the game a while back after playing heavily in seasons 4-6. I came back for Runes Reforged since the new system was so intriguing and quickly came to the realization that I was playing a completely different game than before. While I don't think it was incredibly meta at the time, you used to be able to build ranged supports (Bard being my primary example) with nothing but a Sightstone + Tank/CDR items to be a utility machine that could actually wade into fights and play a more active role in combat in the mid/late game. You dealt inconsequential damage and couldn't heal worth a damn, but could stun and magical journey your team across the map in an incredibly interesting playstyle!

Now, it doesn't matter how far ahead your lane gets and what tank items you have, nearly any damage champ (even if they are way behind in lane) are still going to shred you. Meanwhile, you can go Electrocute/Ignite/Scorch on Bard and hard carry the game with ridiculous burst, but simply blowing stuff up just isn't nearly as satisfying as a nice back-and-forth team fight from back in the day where you controlled the flow of battle. What happened to the game to turn it into such a one dimensional damage-fest? Was it Runes Reforged or a broader set of changes from season 7?

(I hope I don't come off as too negative, it's just rather frustrating with everything feeling so forced towards damage damage damage)

4 Comments

Altiverse2 votes

It's not supports, nor ranged supports; It's the damage creep, and it applies to every champion. As long as you're not a tank with some extraordinary survivability tools like a damage % reduction, you'll be melted by literally anything, whether you opt into tankiness or not.

Objectively for Bard though, as a Bard main I recommend this build: item 3098 item 3047 item 3174 item 3151 item 3083 item 3190 (by order, from left to right). I've done a lot of experimenting and this feels like by far the best optimized build for him, without going too much into detail. (Also, Guardian keystone.)

Lord of Math1 votes

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It's not supports, nor ranged supports; It's the damage creep, and it applies to every champion. As long as you're not a tank with some extraordinary survivability tools like a damage % reduction, you'll be melted by literally anything, whether you opt into tankiness or not.

Objectively for Bard though, as a Bard main I recommend this build: item 3098 item 3047 item 3174 item 3151 item 3083 item 3190 (by order, from left to right). I've done a lot of experimenting and this feels like by far the best optimized build for him, without going too much into detail. (Also, Guardian keystone.)

Bard item 3174 item 3115 item 3110 item 3117 item 3742 item 3040 is fun.

Myrmiron1 votes

The constant nerfs to supports base values. Janna is probably the most obvious example, Riot kept nerfing her base values and giving her longer cooldown, but at the same time they buffed her AP ratios (not the damage ones though).

Potchikir1 votes

i think it was runes reforged Because most of the Runes that go well with ranged supports dont scale with defensive stats, Building AP gives more value to ranged supports

Here is a good build for Bard item 3117 item 3092 item 3905 item 3107 item 3190 item 3109 electrocute for runes

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