What happened to Aurelion sol?

Jubilee Phoenix··11 votes·2,560 views

You never see him anymore and his play rate is next to not even a champion. Maybe is kit is too boring or too clucky? Maybe they nerfed him with no time to grow and too soon? Maybe he never lived up to the hype that other dragon champion was going to give. I'm going to say a mix of all 3; Riot never gave him a chance did they? Look, even these Champions Galio Yorick Mordekaiser Urgot had a chance to shine back in the day, Aurelion never got that chance. Anybody have any ideas on what we can do with Aurelion sol? He needs something, I just don't know what.

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Stars Shaper13 votes

As an eager Aurelion player I can tell you that this was more than expected.

He is not been nerfed too much nor he is too weak or clunky. You got to align a lot of things though to make him work and his farming is probably the hardest of all other champions, this means that unless you get 2-3 early kills you might be at a huge loss in terms of golds.

Aurelion is also countered by a lot of popular midlaners and his CC/mobility is really dependant on timing and team coordination.

He keeps being a strong character but it's probably too hard for casual plays and not rewarding enough for higher level of plays..

Profirix2 votes

Well said.

Friendly Ram11 votes

Assassins happened. He has no counterplay to them pre 6 with riot giving his q a minimum distance.

Marshbouy4 votes

^^^

AkabaneKun2 votes

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Assassins happened. He has no counterplay to them pre 6 with riot giving his q a minimum distance.

This is the reason no one plays him, why can anivia explode her Q in her face but sol can't?

Friendly Ram1 votes

Well anivia can't generally Q an entire team+ half their jungle.

macromite5 votes

He is a balanced complex character. Most people play mind numbingly simple overpowered characters. Him not being played is normal.

Jubilee Phoenix3 votes

True, but almost all champs have something OP about them, like annie with her R stun. Dose Aurelion have something OP about him?

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

Movement speed and zhonya.

Stars Shaper1 votes

If you build Zhonya on Aurelion Sol there is something terribly wrong (or a lot of melee assassins).

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

But... Couldn't you buy it and just sit under turret?

Stars Shaper1 votes

I can do that with PD too then xD

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

Pd? Phantom dancer?

Stars Shaper1 votes

yep

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

Roa, zhonya, pd, rylias, abyssal, guardian angel

macromite1 votes

his roams are second only to tf roams, and he gets his earlier.

Marshbouy3 votes

No. the reason why is you need a lot of practice with him to do well, he get's destroyed by meelees he get's destroyed by any enemy with CC he falls off pretty hard late game He never feels like he is accomplishing anything because his ult does no damage at rank one and the stars deal almost no damage early.

macromite1 votes

No. the reason why is you need a lot of practice with him to do well,

Complexity. Literally just what I said.

he get's destroyed by meelees he get's destroyed by any enemy with CC he falls off pretty hard late game

Balanced. When played perfectly he is really strong early, even in comparison to other perfect players.

He never feels like he is accomplishing anything because his ult does no damage at rank one and the stars deal almost no damage early.

He makes up for it with his cc and his roam potential. his heavy roam power is part of his balance, he doesn't get it for free. Roaming is early game power, his rotations are only average due to some of the tradeoffs.

Most of the characters that he is weak against are ones that can kill with one combo, characters that are capable of just hitting buttons and winning, and characters that have such difficult counterplay to pull off that it is much much easier to play them than it is to play against them. Most people play one or more of those kinds of characters, on average.

Oleandervine4 votes

His biggest problem is his very exploitable weakness that he can either R out of or Flash away from. His kit has absolutely 0 alternatives for him to do anything to anyone who gets close to him. Every other champion in this game who has weaknesses can at least do something when someone exploits those weaknesses - mages and ADCs weak to melee can cast their spells deal respectable damage to enemies to anyone to at least deal some damage as a last hurrah before they're killed. Melees weak to range can simply walk out of that range or rush the enemy. Sol is just helpless when his weakness is exploited, and no other champion in this game has such a strong, devastating weakness. This is why Sol isn't liked, because half the the roster can utterly shut him down by simply walking too close to him.

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

I'd say it was due to riot never addressing the meta that was full of counters to him. Think about it, he's like the old fashioned champions that relied on positioning, while mobility is all over the place; yet they designed him so that he cannot counteract, if anyone gets too close (yasou, zed, ekko, graves, ext) or stays too far away (quin, caitlyn, ezreal, kalista, ext). I like they went back to more interesting & balanced mechanics, but they also nerfed him before people could get used to him, kneecapping the enjoyment of learning him in the first place too.

Troll for Trump3 votes

He feels clunky to me. He's not that weak he's just meh in this meta, and will probably keep getting worse.

Dmg creep and mobility creep are both really bad for him, and the upcoming assassin update will probably make him obsolete.

Astôlfo2 votes

He's just difficult and unique and people don't like having to learn.

CeexSett1 votes

Life's going roughly hum? Can' see a comment from you that isn't attacking someone.

Astôlfo2 votes

??? I wasn't attacking anyone. I made a fairly obvious factual statement.

CeexSett1 votes

"people don't like having to learn"

That's not factual, it's your opinion. There are no objective arguments that can prove it or disprove it, unless you ask every League player. You're just calling people lazy.

Astôlfo1 votes

Uh, yeah, alright. That's why almost all of the high skill champs are extremely underplayed except for the ones that became popular by LCS or some streamer. Alright bud.

CeexSett1 votes

Assuming there are more than a handful of high skill cap champions, of course that by removing the ones played in LCS, where lots of champions have high skill caps, no champs will remain. Flawed logic 101.

Astôlfo1 votes

Uh, I meant outside of LCS, obviously? Terrible at English comprehension 101.

CeexSett1 votes

You mean that most of the high skill champ are played in LCS (because there are no more than a handful), so they become popular and get played in low elos, so it's still the same flawed logic right?

Michael Bacon2 votes

Very strong but very hard to play. Pretty sleeper pick.

Z3bra2 votes

I love Aurelion Sol and will run summoner 3 exhaust on him in mid just to screw over ganks and turn the tides around on melee/dive champs. He rarely has any bad to the point of unplayable matchups (EX: Like Kass vs. Heim where Kass just loses automatically) but you have to know how to position and what you're doing/when you can go in. I'd argue Talon/Kass would be a nightmare for him, but at least you can still hold your lane and are hard to shove into your own turret. The W harass is generally good even when against assassins.

On the plus side, item 3157 Zhonyas doesn't stop your passive.

However, if you just blow your stun against a champ that can zoom onto you, you die. If you underestimate an opponent and they dive you when you can't quite finish them off, you die. If you don't know aurelion sol's limits or how to position exactly where you need to be, you die.

I'd argue...for Aurelion Sol, if you don't play stupid and keep up with the game (which isn't hard unless the other lanes are failing and people are constantly in your own lane), you can be extremely strong with empowered passive W. He can kill entire teams/focus multiple people at once with serious damage over a long time. Is the fighter behind you and the ADC somewhere in front of you? NO PROBLEM! You should be building Rylai's and Rod of Ages, which should give you enough bulk to survive a teamfight.

Surprisingly, people underestimate Sol and are stupid enough to not focus you, because they don't realize how much that damage stacks up. If you are fighting a team that has hard CC/strong dive and actually knows to use it on you, then it gets tough...but that's what zhonya's is for. It doesn't stop your passive, so if people dive you, you can Zhonyas at the last moment and still be outputting basically the same damage as before while your ADC melts people when the fighters/assassins are thrown off for a second and have to switch targets.

The E is decent for pushing up waves, such as if you have baron buff or want to sneak an inhibitor. You push the wave up, start weakly hitting the turret, and as soon as you see somebody you E away (preferably through walls).

Is a Yasuo Yasuo coming at you and you aren't dumb enough to stand in a minion wave? NO PROBLEM! Q-Stun/Exaust/Rylais him and then watch as he slowly kills himself trying to reach you.


This leaves Aurelion sol with a lot of tools/potential if played intelligently:

  1. There are very few lanes he is "useless" in, unless you're playing him poorly. Even then, he can normally punish or even kill his counters in the early levels with well placed Ws and Exhausts/Qs. (Melee-range AA champs trying to farm, in particular.) When dived, if Aurelion Sol survives with just enough health, you can go and flash out, turn around with a Q, and then kill the enemy with Ws if you're skilled enough.

  2. Can shove in lane pretty easily thanks to his W in order to roam, and can return quickly to lane with his E. Otherwise, using his E to gank makes his ganks almost unwardable. His ganks are also strong, thanks to his Q.

  3. Can completely defend himself from those dive/melee/CC weaknesses in a teamfight while still doing 80% of his damage with itemization.

  4. Can somewhat peel for his teammates. Q-stun stops pursuits and saves lives. Rylais+W helps as well.

  5. Can check bushes without using wards/his face by using his W and see if it hits anything in the bush.

  6. Can kill multiple people at once if positioned properly, since his passive is a large range in a circle. This means...yes, he can carry teamfights and even picks/games if he gets slightly ahead.


The biggest problems I've had with Aurelion Sol

  1. If the rest of the team does poorly during laning phase, he can't carry. He needs 2-3 items to really become a monster that trolls everyone via timed stuns and clever positioning.

  2. Skillshot stuns (EX: Taric, Lux, Morgana) are horrific for him. Because the stuns are done at range, he struggles to "return the favor" like he can with melee champs trying to apply CC/burst (See first point in "Aurelion's potential").

  3. Projectile/Magic shields are hard to deal with. This means Morgana is kind of a nightmare. A smart Yasuo will time his windwall well to get Aurelion Sol's stun down, then turn on Aurelion and kill him (Unless Aurelion has both exhaust and flash up to blow for an escape). Aurelion is very reliant on his stun to not die in certain matchups, and so it only takes that one window of weakness to semi-slowly kill him while he runs away, helplessly.

  4. His E isn't as useful as it could be. It's good for re-positioning/rejoining with your group or to get to lane, but it can't work as an escape tool unless you are careful. Relying on it to push a wave and then zoom out is risky and I've died a little too much trying to make it work - you need a team that has GOOD vision of the map to utilize it or you'll run into some sort of potential nightmare situation. E passive is pretty great though, as you can escape from the skin of your teeth with that movement speed buff. It just takes a little too long to come up for a reliable tool to get out of bad situations, even if you see them coming a mile away. He can't even really sneak inhibitors with it depending on where they are, because his passive procs monster aggro and it's hard to escape once you go in, making it essentially a suicide mission. (Though depending on who comes to deal with you, you might be able to kill them anyway and make it a good trade.)

  5. I feel he is extremely reliant on specific itemization for balance, Rylai's especially. If riot does much to that item, especially the item's slow passive, Aurelion Sol could easily become underpowered. On the flip side, if they introduce another suitable item or buff another item, he could become very powerful. After Rod of Ages/Rylai's/Boots and situational defense, he can kind of get whatever, so if another mage item comes into the game that just "fits" him it could get out of hand.

  6. He can push waves up to turrets easily but sucks at actually killing the turrets. This means relying on your team to get towers after you push them up; actually pushing up to tower can only be used to roam in the laning phase or distract during group phases. He can at least reasonably finish turrets off, however.

  7. Mana on Aurelion Sol is reasonable. But if your team drags out a fight/chase, you run out of mana sooner rather than later. You NEED W to do any real damage and you can't burst people. So, if your team is being sloppy, you can become useless and run around behind everyone trying to get just enough mana to land another Q so that you aren't useless despite being full health.

Why I think people don't enjoy playing Aurelion Sol

I love him, so this is more of a guess. But his playstyle is very unique and messing up with him normally gets you punished VERY HARD. His playstyle is very "careful" and somewhat deliberate.

*You can go pretty ballsy with him, but it means being sneaky/deceptive about how much damage you can actually do/can take, and requires basically ensnaring people in the exact right range to slowly stun and hit them with stars to death. For me, this is satisfying, because it's like seeing a trap play off or being able to turn a situation on people is very fun. But for others, this might feel too slow. But it also requires careful mechanics, vs. divers who just run in, spam combos/attack buttons that are on low cooldown, and run out. With Aurelion Sol, you have 5-10 second cooldowns for your 2 main damage abilities and you have Mana to worry about.

*To add to the first point: his kit feels more like playing an immobile ADC than a mage, and he doesn't get the brutal satisfaction of facemelting people like an ADC does. He melts multiple people at once and entire teams, but it is in chunks at a time. ADC: Right click to quickly melt one person. SOL: W to kind of nominally melt multiple people.

*It is probably super unfun to people when feel "helpless" to his counters. Feeling completely useless as a melee chases you down while still living long enough to give commands to Sol, ala running around helplessly and throwing Q-stuns that can't possibly land on the people next to him...sucks. (He gets bulky if built correctly, so helpless and painful deaths can last several seconds.) Either Aurelion Sol is chasing people down while they are helpless (or they don't realize what is happening to them, such as an ADC in a teamfight getting hit by the strong passive) OR...Aurelion Sol is being chased down while he is helpless.

*He doesn't feel "fast" or "bursty." I saw somebody compare him to an old, reliable diesel engine on the boards once, which I find accurate. This means there isn't an instant gratification for doing well with him for most people, though I enjoy setting people up to their doom. :)


Conclusion

He's just not going to appeal to everyone/the typical player [sneaky/deceptive, slow-burning, positioning reliant playstyle], and it doesn't help that people keep being snide/worry about how he is "weak" and banning him in champ select when their teammates try to pick him. (He's not bad or in a bad spot, I promise. He's kind of the AP version of illaoi.)

I think he might actually feel better for people who don't normally play mid/jungle, because he mirrors other playstyles (CC-spam, Peel, ADC) more than his fellow midlaners.

Ultimately I find him strong and self-sustaining with enough team-reliance and weaknesses to define him as balanced with a unique identity. His strengths are very strong and are worth his weaknesses unless you picked him into a nightmare team comp (ranged stuns + a Yasuo on the team).

bill842 votes

Finally... my teamcomp of the least popular champions can be complete: Top: Yorick Jungle: Mordekaiser Mid: AurelionSol ADC: Urgot Support: Galio

ThiOz1 votes

Go to instalok on youtube they made a vid about that

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

could you link it?

ThiOz1 votes
Sukishoo2 votes

What happened to Aurelion sol

He swam back to the Ao Shin he came from [slayer-jinx-wink]

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

his q is trash

Urf Mode Is Life1 votes

his dead zone makes him unplayable to anyone who knows how to stay close. Thats his problem.

His damage is based off a passive that cant even get in close and deal damage

Arakadia1 votes

I have a few issues with him:

A): He feels so forced just to feel thematic.

B): He's quite feast or famine. Either he kites you to hell and back or you jump inside his stars and he's screwed.

C): Too much of his power is in his stars, he doesn't feel like a caster mage which I like.

D): He doesn't feel as badass as he could be. Ao Shin just seemed way cooler. His kit felt dynamic and open.

I would like if they siphoned damage from his passive into his Q and E and reworked those. His Q could stay a AoE CC spell but he just doesn't feel satisfying. His E is quite weak without his Q and is almost completely useless out of combat. Its fine to have abilities that combo together to be very effective but when one ability is so incredibly weak without the other its sad.

snibedi snab1 votes

Why pick someone that needs skill, patience and time to get a decent payoff when you can pick Zed or LeBlanc and just throw your keyboard down a flight of stairs. Get the same, if not better, result. GG Riot's design team.

Linna Excel1 votes

He's pretty good once you learn to work with his W. It's a lot of damage, but it's weird to use. CSing is also different with him because of it.

Incognonymous1 votes

I only played him on freeweek, so my experience is limited, but it was disturbing to me how my E active was essentially perpetually down.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Aurelion Sol requires too much to go right for him to be useful, compared to other Champions who can fill his role, and its too easy for everything to go wrong. Plus most team comps nowadays consist of at least one person with an instant gap closer which is all that is needed to deal with Sol (he can't stun someone right on top of his face).

He is a strong champion given the right circumstances even if you don't know how to use him fully, i have gone incredibly positive with him and have gone incredibly negative with him. Riot stated that they didn't think Sol would be played too much, pretty sure he was designed with the knowledge that he would not be a meta pick ever. So its not like they didn't give him a chance, more like they knew how he would turn out and are fine with it.

Nanoucraft1 votes

I loved aurelion sol when he was a free champ of the week. I even won some games!!! But his high price (many champs have a too high price for my opinion, 6300 ip ;-;) made me almost unable to play him.

Y cri plz by meh aurlionn sal xD XD

barbarianskull1 votes

What's an Aurelion Sol?

Darius Strada1 votes

Awsome champion. Too hard to play. He feels clunky as hell. You can't immediatly explode his Q. Takes too much time too hit something. His E has a long CD and you don't always have it. His ult is basically a disengage. No mobility and takes a lo to scale. Too bad because I really love the idea of playing a space dragon

Rozair1 votes

a complete and total rework.... give hecarim his movment ramping passive and make AurelionSol a melee champion that does magic damage.

TheDevice1 votes

Kinda reminds me of Aatrox

Though I don't think Arellion Sol needs any kind of rework so its not as if he can't be tweaked a bit to score some popularity.

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