I didn't think Camille was broken.

Jubilee Phoenix·Jan 29, 2017·81 votes·5,219 views

Until I saw that esports game. It's rek'sai all over again.

109 Comments

MatakeJan 29, 201777 votes

"didn't think Camille was broken"

where the hell have you been since her release?

PlanetWarwickJan 30, 201721 votes

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"didn't think Camille was broken"

where the hell have you been since her release?

Draft games lul

BuffYasuoPlsJan 29, 201728 votes

Yeah Camille is pretty op. I think its like super buffed rek'sai now.

420 gramsJan 29, 20175 votes

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Yeah Camille is pretty op. I think its like super buffed rek'sai now.

"camille is pretty op" Said the person with the name buff yasuo

Big LincolnJan 29, 201723 votes

yasuo isn't op though

CalabokJan 30, 201718 votes

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yasuo isn't op though

HAHA that made me laugh

kasfasJan 30, 201711 votes

he really isn't. He's just a massive bitch to lane against most of the time. Similar to graves, fiora and riven. Winning lane is just not losing lane. The nerfs to his e make him a ton more tolerable though. The better you get at the game (and i know this is weird coming form someone who is currently ranked s1) the more you realize how to play against him and his weaknesses. You just need to keep trying.

Pro tip: If you cant figure out how to win, sit back a few games and play as passively as possible. Don't initiate any trades, and only try to come out even. Eventually you learn his weak points and can win against him (that does not include beating him in lane however).

Troll for TrumpJan 30, 20175 votes

inning lane is just not losing lane.

No, because they outscale.

That's for Panth/Renek

SinlaireJan 30, 20173 votes

except both pantheon and renekton are famous for being early game bullies that fall off late game...

Troll for TrumpJan 31, 20171 votes

That's my point

Ravenous HowlsJan 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EVlxeBfd,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-29T22:25:35.465+0000)

yasuo isn't op though

I think it's largely determined by the skill of the player but he can be damn near impossible to lock down and kill in the hands of a skilled player...

drakuIa421Jan 30, 20171 votes

we're not talking about his skillcap, we're talking about his kit. kit-wise, not broken.

Ravenous HowlsJan 30, 20171 votes

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we're not talking about his skillcap, we're talking about his kit. kit-wise, not broken.

Ok let me rephrase slightly. Yes he has a damn near broken ability package however if the person playing them is terrible then it's quite easy to kill them multiple times without any chance of coming back... I meet far more bad ones than good ones and typically they are on my team... LOL!

MunchCrunchLunchJan 29, 201712 votes

I didn't think she was either. but if she has ult. her gank assist is downright unfair.

and also it isn't fun to take 1.3k true damage on a 3 second cd. and the face that she can E over 3-4 times from top to bot lane as fast as aurelion sol with his E

make her passive scale with level. 20% more hp in short trades? I mean lord.

drakuIa421Jan 30, 20171 votes

to me, her ult is just the most toxic ability in the game and needs to be changed.

i just cant understand why riot thought it was ok to give a champion an ability that you literally can't escape from.

GankedFromBehindJan 30, 20171 votes

Because it's a rather large zone compared other forced restricts like J4 ult and Veigar's cage - both which are effectively better than Camille's ult if your Flash is down.

If people just fought back rather than desperately trying to get out of the inevitable, you'll find the situation far less frustrating.

Bouncemaster ZacJan 30, 201711 votes

It amazes me how many people on the "she's been broken since release" train considering I made a post stating she was broken the day after she came out and got downvoted into oblivion and told "just pick Darius ."

TheHypeGokuJan 30, 20172 votes

I posted that Camille was broken before she was even released and every1 said no. I don't get why people think releasing a champion with such an overtuned kit is going to be balanced when there's a 100 champions that can't compete with that.

RequiemsfireJan 30, 20172 votes

I said she was broken before release. :O

KeevalroyJan 30, 20172 votes

Too many Riot brown-nosers flock to media outlets to praise their work and downvote anything they deem "anti-Riot." It happens any time they release something big; a pre-season patch, a new champion, a disaster of a rework, a dev blog full of PR bullshit, you name it. Nothing about the details matters to these zombies because hey, Riot just released something and we should all grovel at their feet.

YasuicideJan 29, 201710 votes

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SalronJan 29, 201724 votes

It's not enough Her ult needs to deactivate if she dies at least

NarasimhaJan 30, 20171 votes

I honestly doubt they're going to do that unless they give the same treatment to all player created terrain.

SalronJan 30, 20177 votes

All other player created terrain can be flashed or blinked over Camille ults you and you're stuck there no matter what unless you happen to have a long range knockback

Sire HippingtonJan 30, 201710 votes

which is exactly reksai all over again. You have a fighter with quite some utillity which is op, and then the numbers get nerfed till it's a shitty fighter but still a good utillity bot that goes fulltank.

With camille, as long as her E allows fpr such massive engage range and mapmpbillity while her ult grants a zero counterplay lockdown, the rest of her will get nerfed to the ground till she's a walking R button with slingshot-mobillity, else she will countinue to be a monster in high elo and competetive. And that's just what happened to reksai.

SpecterVonBarenJan 30, 20176 votes

God I miss release Rek'Sai. Er... let me rephrase that, I miss being able to build Rek'sai as a fighter instead of just being a knockup bot tank.

Spaceman5pffJan 30, 20172 votes

Same :/

RIP RekSai item 1400 item 3071 item 3156 item 3143

Sire HippingtonJan 30, 20176 votes

Yea, i played her as a bruiser top back then, she felt great that way. But strolling around as radarstation and occasionally knocking up people hopeing your team then takes care of them? Thats not really what i expect from a vicious beast like Rek'Sai.

Glory ln DeathJan 30, 20171 votes

Damage getting nerfed: -20% scaling on second Q only.

Utility getting nerfed: -10% slow on W, E mana cost increase, E stun duration lowered.

Previous utility nerfs: base health and health growth lowered (lowers passive shield strength and overall tankiness), shield duration no longer increases with level.

Looks like they're doing a pretty good job of focusing nerfs on her utility and durability. So, how exactly is removing utility and tankiness while hardly touching her damage going to turn her into a tanky utility ult bot?

Sraeg2013Jan 30, 20171 votes

W was meant to scale with rank, though.

Have they changed it since?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 29, 20173 votes

she isnt broken... she is strong

there is a difference

there truly only been a handful of "broken" champs

TheDelightedJan 29, 201716 votes

Broken(Camille) Sustain? check Durable? check Damage? check Hard CC? check invulnerability? check Mobility? check Low Mana costs? check Low cooldowns? check

Strong is someone who does stuff extremely well and having unclear weaknesses. Broken is someone who is great at all things and these good things overcome the bad things.

Syndra(strong) Sustain? Nope Durable? Nope Damage? check check check Hard CC? check invulnerability? Nope Mobility? Nope Low Mana costs? Yes and No Low cooldowns? check

There are ton of other variables like range and stuff, but generally if someone excels at these things its bound for something to be rather fishy.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 29, 20177 votes

ap yi mid in season 3 was broken

the reign of kassadin season 3/4 was broken

camille is nothing close to those

ChargeItDownMidJan 30, 20174 votes

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xelakerJan 30, 20172 votes

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Camille is straight up stronger than ap yi mid was in season 3. AP yi was unhealthy and encouraged a boring playstyle but nowhere near as strong as Camille is right now.

i dont think you were there for ap yi...

also, of course the pros are gonna make most champs with a versatile kit look op....

Erractic EickJan 30, 20179 votes

As much as I hate to agree with this guy, Broken is different from Strong. Granted, I do believe Camille is close to broken, but I'm not certain she's there quite yet.

A list of Broken champions would include the spectacular Unkillable Yi, who could heal for his entire health bar, Dodgemaster Jax, who literally could not be attacked after a couple of items, and the fountain defying pre-rework Sion, who could literally pentakill your team at the spawn point.

I haven't seen footage of S3 Kassadin, but I heard his pick/ban rate in games was 98%, so there's probably some merit behind his reign of terror as well, what with his low cost flash AOE ultimate.

The common denominator is that all these champions were unkillable (and thus unstoppable) for one reason or another, and while extremely difficult to kill at times, Camille does still die if you hit her enough.

However, I would be more than happy if Camille was nerfed into oblivion. She has too good of lore for me to hate her because of her in-game strength.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 30, 20172 votes

oh were you around for league of cleavers? pick talon mid build item 3071 item 3117 and do true damage to every one because the armor penetration passive stacked and wasnt unique ?

and why hate to agree with me? let alone why hate me for any reason ? its not like i have ever pissed in your cheerios

Erractic EickJan 30, 20176 votes

I don't hate you, per say, it just bothers me that when you try to argue a point, often times you insult the people you are arguing with instead of offering examples and using reason, and that often undercuts the points you are trying to make, valid though they may be.

I only joined in Season five, but I read a lot about past issues and developer opinions so that when I make a thread about my concerns I don't come across as ignorant to the older players, which (unfortunately) happens a lot regardless.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 30, 20171 votes

plz show me one example of insulting someone cuz i disagree with them... now if they get pissy with me then its game on... but i never start off that way... so plz so me an example where i flat out insulted someone for no reason unprovoked

Erractic EickJan 30, 20171 votes

Hmm... It seems I can't access your Boards Profile. It says it doesn't exist.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 30, 20171 votes

yea its been bugged like that forever

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/na/MrFawknSunshine%20

try this

Erractic EickJan 30, 20174 votes

Thanks. Here's one where I agreed with you, but didn't think your presentation was that great, from yesterday.

lol have you met her damage hurts cuz for months on end that's all you bunch of whiners on the boards were crying about is how broken and op she is and still cry over janna

Essentially, the thread was someone presenting their opinion that mage supports are better than utility ones these days, and how they felt that was a bad thing for the game. While I agree with you, insulting the rest of the board members to prove your point undermined some reasonable arguments you could have made, at least in my opinion. I can find more examples if you like, but I felt this was a good first one.

agbudarJan 30, 20172 votes

she would rip those 2 apart cmon now.

yi was all about cleaning up after enemy team was low health. Camille ult would literately keep him from doing just that. kassadin was only good after he got a kill and lvl 6 if he fell behind and someone knew how to keep an advantage. Camille keeps the advantage by default.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 30, 20171 votes

ap yi would do true damage with alpha strike there was zero counter play to it and his meditate with AP would keep him from dying at all and able to be 100% hp all the time

and kassidin was a 98% pick ban rate ... not 20, 30 etc 98% she dont come close to either one of those

agbudarJan 30, 20172 votes

yi could be stunned out of his meditate camille has a stun, all you needed to do against Yi was build an mr item like item 3102 to prevent him from getting resets. his alpha strike was magic damage btw.

camille does exactly what kassadin does (fight ap champs really well) but for both ad and ap kassadin had a slow and silence, thats it. and a 8 to 5 seconds flash that burned MASSIVE amounts of mana. again i remember those days well i played ranked back then too.

but they were not as bad as people made them out to be. both ap yi and Kassadin could be easily shutdown by a decent jungler like Rammus who back then had a 3 second taunt. which would destroy both of those champs cuz they would always build glass cannon.

Camille builds item 3078 and tank from there on and does retarded amounts of actual true damage. her passive shield has a higher base then nautilus W at lvl 5 ffs. he can only get that at lvl 9 she gets it at lvl 1

RISE Shlack123Jan 31, 20171 votes

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ap yi mid in season 3 was broken

the reign of kassadin season 3/4 was broken

camille is nothing close to those

Sure, she's not broken. She's overpowered and overloaded. AP Yi was broken.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 31, 20171 votes

lol yet im being flamed to death with downvotes.

i never said she wasnt strong or op or overloaded but yasou was all those things but not broken except when he was bugged

but i guess broken means anything now so who dafuq knows anymore

ive only gotten about 50 downvotes cuz i said she was STRONG but not BROKEN

Serika ZeroJan 30, 20172 votes

she's overloaded. There were a bunch of us who said she's broken because of it when she was only on pbe. But white knights defended her, claiming she's fine. yeh, as usual

rito does a bad thing -> white knights defend -> everyone suffers