Vayne Nerf - Patch 8.2

Sir Rouge··2 votes·13,508 views

Riot has mentioned that they're likely going to nerf Vayne in patch 8.2, as seen in the Quick Gameplay Thoughts from today, posted by Meddler.

Now, first off, I just want to mention that I really like the changes they gave Vayne in patch 7.19 (see below).

Q - Tumble NEWTRIP NOT CRIT Bonus damage is no longer increased when the attack critically strikes DAMAGE 30/35/40/45/50% of total Attack Damage ⇒ 50/55/60/65/70% of total Attack Damage

W - Silver Bolts PERCENT HEALTH DAMAGE 6/7.5/9/10.5/12% target’s maximum health ⇒ 4/6/8/10/12% target’s maximum health MINIMUM DAMAGE 40/60/80/100/120 ⇒ 50/65/80/95/110

R - Final Hour NEWONE MORE TURN If a champion dies within 3 seconds of being damaged by Vayne, Final Hour’s duration is extended by 4 seconds. This cannot extend the remaining duration past the initial maximum duration.

I feel like these changes did a good job of making her less bursty with crit while uping her playmaking potential via her ultimate (and her laning which they said was a little bit too weak I think).

I think Vayne right now is simply overtuned, and specifically still with crit builds even if the nerfs tried to make an alternative playstale (less crit heavy) viable.

I would propose a change for 8.2 that would nerf her crit build by a bit (making her even less bursty) while leaving other build types mostly intact. If this somehow makes her other build path underpowered, then could adjust acordingly.

Proposed change: Q - Tumble : Vayne's normal critical attacks (not the bonus damage from her Q, since that doesn't crit anymore) only does 80% damage when it crits (80% of the damage it would normally deal, not crits for 1.8 instead of 2).

For example (not taking into account enemy resistances, rune damage amplification, etc.): **- Vayne crits without IE, has 150 AD and maxed out Q: ** ------ Pre nerf: Her auto-attack after a Q tumble does **405 **damage (105 from Q + 300 from auto-attack) ---- Post nerf: Her auto-attack after a Q tumble does 345 damage (105 from Q + 240 from auto-attack) - Vayne crits with IE, has 200 AD and maxed out Q: ------- Pre nerf: Her auto-attack after a Q tumble does 640 damage (140 from Q + 500 from auto-attack) ----- Post nerf: Her auto-attack after a Q tumble does **540 **damage (140 from Q + 400 from auto-attack)

Please tell me what you think about this change, and if it's in the right direction of nerfing what makes Vayne overtuned right now. Numbers could change (for example, it could be 85% or 90% instead of 80%, the number could scale, etc.). Also, if 80% nerfs her too much, she could always get buffed somewhere else.

14 Comments

Corsair Solar4 votes

Vayne isnt overtuned, the overheal feetfootwork made lane bullies and and poke lanes less effective. Poke needs to be buffed or all in needs to get nerfed. Vayne hasnt changed just her tools have which everyone is abusing right now, she just shows the most as the hyperscaling single target burst out of them all

SuperRiceBoi3 votes

Even as Vayne you can get stomped if they have a serious poke laner. She didn't get any buff since like 7.23, although that was more of a tradeoff. The reason she seems broken is because of the runes she can use to survive lane. The answer isn't a nerf. This high win rate as of late was a result of people finding a meta rune build to keep her from falling behind in lane. The way around it is finding a counter, which will arise on its own.

I.E. Draven and Blitzcrank to end her in lane.

Adamx2 votes

I see vaynes lose lane all the time and if the game stalls out they just out scale everything at 35 mins 3 shotting people.

TaelongX2 votes

Can they just delete Vayne from the game? I got to plat playing Vayne...I could have gone further but I focused more on school. Her damage is so stupid. Even trash players can carry on Vayne if they hit a certain point in the game (30 mins?). Her laning phase should suck yet it feels like once she gets BF and zeal she can win any duel vs another marksman with the same items.

Mordepool1 votes

I hope they nerf her stat boost from ult

Bogdan19451 votes

finally someone else agreeing on that shit , no one should be able to get 30/50/70 free ad out of their ass

chipndip11 votes

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finally someone else agreeing on that shit , no one should be able to get 30/50/70 free ad out of their ass

And that's exactly what they nerfed.

CallMeDoubletilt1 votes

I think It's a joke, 'cause she is not broken like all think. I think Miss Fortune should get nerf, 'cause she is much broken than Vayne is. But of course Riot don't see it, 'cause probably few pro players said Vayne should get nerf and they go for it. And of course don't forget about 53,12% WR on Miss Fortune and in next patch lethality will get buff, so she will be more broken. Eh, funny

Bogdan19452 votes

Naaaah Vayne just 2 shots squishies with Shiv and IE(3 autos if it's a mage who got both zhonyas and tabis) , and takes 5 autos at most for specialized ad tanks like malph . At least mf can get pinned down fairly easy for what she does , and ali lulu and braum basically remove MF from the game , plus there's locket which can nulify her ult and remove her teamfight power , while with Vayne locket and all the million shields and heals which atm are oriented towards aoe(so weaker for a single target) don't cut it since vayne can just eat through them , she doesn't even have to wait for them to wear off

mjr23001 votes

any adc can 2 shot squishies I'm a twitch main and when i come out of invis be it a vayne or not if i throw a duskblade on him i 2 shot easily with 2 autos even mf can do it with one press of a q I don't know how many times I played vayne against mf and her q demolished me without killing a minion and we are still over looking draven who has a bonus ad early game and if he wants to he can eat peoples shields just as you said vayne could. vaynes ult nerf was way to big imo.

Bjørnetjenesten1 votes

OK they decided instead of looking at the runes and items she is abusing, and her counters being weak af, that: gutting her ulti with up to -30 ad lategame, without any compensation was the right decision.

I will predict what will happen in the next few months:

  • She will still remain strong the next few patches, not opressive, but still top 5.
  • She will now get another compensation nerf, since players are still crying (This is riots pattern)
  • Suddenly Lane bullies are buffed, and becomes top tier: (Caitlyn or Lucian)
  • Crit items might be nerfed
  • Vayne will now proceed to drop to worst adc in the game
  • She will remain garbage-tier the rest of the season (Picking Vayne in pro play will basically be inting) - Preseason 9 starts: Riot decides to buff Vayne
  • Cycle continues: boards will overflow with silver 4 players crying for vayne nerfs.

It fucking sucks to be a Vayne main, cause she is never strong when it counts.

popheadshot31 votes

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OK they decided instead of looking at the runes and items she is abusing, and her counters being weak af, that: gutting her ulti with up to -30 ad lategame, without any compensation was the right decision.

I will predict what will happen in the next few months:

  • She will still remain strong the next few patches, not opressive, but still top 5.
  • She will now get another compensation nerf, since players are still crying (This is riots pattern)
  • Suddenly Lane bullies are buffed, and becomes top tier: (Caitlyn or Lucian)
  • Crit items might be nerfed
  • Vayne will now proceed to drop to worst adc in the game
  • She will remain garbage-tier the rest of the season (Picking Vayne in pro play will basically be inting) - Preseason 9 starts: Riot decides to buff Vayne
  • Cycle continues: boards will overflow with silver 4 players crying for vayne nerfs.

It fucking sucks to be a Vayne main, cause she is never strong when it counts.

omfg my feelings exactly! thank you!

rondell561 votes

Yeah man im a Vayne main and after that 8.2 patch it really sucked especially late game i could see the damage reduction or ctit whatever....

Wavy Gravy1 votes

adc as a whole needs a buff and more than one build path, vayne needs a bigger nerf

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